Russian - Ukrainian War

[ColdHouse]

No need. They can handle it. They kickked the Russians back 300 miles and only stoped to conserve what little ammo they had. Now they can go back to kicking Russians out of where the Russians should never have invaded.

And unlike you, I love my country. Even took an oath to defend it and the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic.

Paul

I never accused you of not loving your country. I take offense at your implication that I do not love my country.

[Sunny Boy]

Not surprising that you, "take offence". You've been nothing but offensive about our country.

Paul

[waytomany?s]

Not surprising that you, "take offence". You've been nothing but offensive about our country.

Paul

Oh, SNAP!

[waytomany?s]

Yea. And, it was insinuated that Ukraine was doing good until they ran out of weapons. Hmm and who is supplying weapons?

Multiple countries and most NATO countries.

And why were weapons on hold? Did Ukrainian soldiers die because they didn't have adequate weapons?

Of course, it's war. If supplies become low, that can happen. Soldiers die with adequate weapons.

Was it USA Congress fault that they did not have adequate weapons?

Nope, Congress isn't running the war.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that one day Ukrainians blame USA for the destruction of their country and the loss of their people.

I'd say that is a possibility. I believe it is unlikely.

[ColdHouse]

Not surprising that you, "take offence". You've been nothing but offensive about our country.

Paul

Pointing out problems in the USA is because of the hypocrisy of pointing out issues with other countries. Furthermore a person such as me that loves my country would want to be aware of problems that need to be addressed. I have continually stated that the USA should concentrate on our own issues rather than issues abroad.
USA is no longer a model for Liberty, Democracy, values, integrity, moral's, finance, education, acceptance.... USA is very intrusive and hypocritical so we should focus on fixing ourselves instead of telling foreign countries what they should be doing. Make America Great Again. We are far from it at this point in time.
I do not accuse you of anything other than being wrong about the USA involvement in Ukraine and the outcome of the war. The war should end sooner rather than later, and USA should not be involved. Those are my opinions. You read and write all kinds of negative connotations about me based on my ideology regarding foreign affairs and the issues within our own country.

[Sunny Boy]

Pointing out problems in the USA is because of the hypocrisy of pointing out issues with other countries. Furthermore a person such as me that loves my country would want to be aware of problems that need to be addressed. I have continually stated that the USA should concentrate on our own issues rather than issues abroad.
USA is no longer a model for Liberty, Democracy, values, integrity, moral's, finance, education, acceptance.... USA is very intrusive and hypocritical so we should focus on fixing ourselves instead of telling foreign countries what they should be doing. Make America Great Again. We are far from it at this point in time.
I do not accuse you of anything other than being wrong about the USA involvement in Ukraine and the outcome of the war. The war should end sooner rather than later, and USA should not be involved. Those are my opinions. You read and write all kinds of negative connotations about me based on my ideology regarding foreign affairs and the issues within our own country.

Love your country ?

You've done nothing but badmouth the US all through this thread while showing your very pro-Russian by not just refusing to admit Russia's invasion of Ukraine is illegal and immoral, you have repeatedly insisted that Russia was "justified" - your word that you used often. That has nothing to do with our supporting Ukraine. It is all on Russia, but you show your hated for the US by showing your bias by absolving Russia instead of rightly condemning them.

You go on and on blaming all the killing on the US and saying the blood is on our hands and not once have you said anything about Russia being responsible for the deaths, or that Putin could stop the killing with one phone call. Instead, you kept calling for Ukraine to surrender to Russian domination - Russia a country that hates the US and insists it is at war with us and not any of the many other countries supporting Ukraine.

I can go back and do a post quoting your posts of what I just said above, but it will take a few days.

Thing is, I know I'll never find any post of yours condemning Russia like the vast majority of UN countries have and only four communist dictator countries didn't condemn.... a fact which you kept dancing around all the many times I posted that responding to you.

You got called on it by others and then you did a switch to lame sarcasm that Ukraine should fight to the last man. But still no commendation of Russia.

So, what is anyone to think with every one of your posts that mentions the US is just more badmouthing - blaming the killing and destruction on the US and Ukraine while not once condemning Russia ? No one is foolish enough to see that even remotely as you love your country and you're just criticizing it.

Paul

[ColdHouse]

Love your country ?

You've done nothing but badmouth the US all through this thread while showing your very pro-Russian by not just refusing to admit Russia's invasion of Ukraine is illegal and immoral, you have repeatedly insisted that Russia was "justified" - your word that you used often. That has nothing to do with our supporting Ukraine. It is all on Russia, but you show your hated for the US by showing your bias by absolving Russia instead of rightly condemning them.

You go on and on blaming all the killing on the US and saying the blood is on our hands and not once have you said anything about Russia being responsible for the deaths, or that Putin could stop the killing with one phone call. Instead, you kept calling for Ukraine to surrender to Russian domination - Russia a country that hates the US and insists it is at war with us and not any of the many other countries supporting Ukraine.

I can go back and do a post quoting your posts of what I just said above, but it will take a few days.

Thing is, I know I'll never find any post of yours condemning Russia like the vast majority of UN countries have and only four communist dictator countries didn't condemn.... a fact which you kept dancing around all the many times I posted that responding to you.

You got called on it by others and then you did a switch to lame sarcasm that Ukraine should fight to the last man. But still no commendation of Russia.

So, what is anyone to think with every one of your posts that mentions the US is just more badmouthing - blaming the killing and destruction on the US and Ukraine while not once condemning Russia ? No one is foolish enough to see that even remotely as you love your country and you're just criticizing it.

Paul

There again you are saying something that I did not say.
I never blamed the deaths on the USA. I said if you promote the war future deaths were on your hands. I promote peace.
I also said that in the future Ukrainians could blame the USA for encouraging Ukraine to fight Russia and not accept peace negotiations. I didn't say that they blamed the USA. Now just recently I questioned the narrative being presented that Ukraine was doing good until they ran out of weapons. Okay why did they run out? Whose fault is it that they ran out.... See how that works. Pretty soon they could blame the USA for the war and the destruction and the deaths. They Could....I am pretty sure that is what I said.

There are several active threads with current events where members here are discussing current events that are not very appealing. The USA needs to clean its own house. When you live in a glass house..... USA is a glass house.

[k-2]

Im afraid one of the problems with this whole mess is none if us can really know we are receiving accurate information ,even if 80 % of media is reporting the same thing. Remember that 80 to 90% of the media insisted for several years that trump and all his friends were conspiring with the russians to interfere with the election. Didnt 50 corrupt former intelligence officers back up that lie or was that the Hunter laptop lie they backed up? .Then when they find out Hillary was the real culprit it was silence. How many years did they tell us theres no way that virus came from the wuhan lab. Inflation numbers are fake. employment numbers are fake. We are being bombarded with propagnda from all sides. But some of us seem to be cocksure they are getting 100% truth 100% of the time. I dont think thats even possible.

[ColdHouse]

Im afraid one of the problems with this whole mess is none if us can really know we are receiving accurate information ,even if 80 % of media is reporting the same thing. Remember that 80 to 90% of the media insisted for several years that trump and all his friends were conspiring with the russians to interfere with the election. Didnt 50 corrupt former intelligence officers back up that lie or was that the Hunter laptop lie they backed up? .Then when they find out Hillary was the real culprit it was silence. How many years did they tell us theres no way that virus came from the wuhan lab. Inflation numbers are fake. employment numbers are fake. We are being bombarded with propagnda from all sides. But some of us seem to be cocksure they are getting 100% truth 100% of the time. I dont think thats even possible.

I say I have no facts. Only opinions. I say facts are nothing more than an opinion that you agree with.

[waytomany?s]

I say I have no facts. Only opinions. I say facts are nothing more than an opinion that you agree with.

Well, you're wrong.

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[ColdHouse]

Fact: If you get the COVID vaccine you won't get the Virus and cannot spread the disease.

Fact: if you get the COVID vaccine you can get Covid and still spread the disease.

Fact: A woman is identified and her sex is determined by biology.

Fact: Men can be Women.

Fact: the 2020 Election was rigged and stolen.

Fact: the 2020 Election was the most secure election in US history.

Fact: Putin Ukraine invasion was not provoked.

Fact: Putin was provoked into invading Ukraine.

Fact: Saddam has weapons of mass destruction

Fact Saddam does not have weapons of mass destruction.

Fact: The US economy is in better shape than it has been in over 50 years

Fact The US economy is on the brink of Collapse

Fact: The Border is secure

Fact: the Border is not secure.

Fact: Climate Change is man made and cause by CO2 from Fossil Fuels.

Fact: Climate is always changing there is no relevance between rising temperatures from CO2.

Fact: Coal is filthy dirty fuel and makes your home dirty.

Fact: Coal is a clean fuel.

Fact: White Supremacy is the number one problem with America Today

Fact: 13% of the people cause 90% of the crime.

Fact: You are a Putin Sympathizer and hate the USA.

Fact: You love the USA and think the USA should not interfere in the affairs of foreign nations that do not pose imminent threat to the USA.

Fact: Putin is a madman

Fact: Biden is a madman

Fact: USA is helps the world

Fact: USA interferes in the ongoings of foreign nations where it has no business to do so. USA goes so far as to overthrow and oust elected officials in foreign lands.

Fact USA is a model for democracy.

Fact: USA is a broken, moral-less, society, that is financially bankrupt and weaponizing the government against its own people.

Fact: NYC subways are extremely dangerous and it is not safe to walk down the streets of NYC.

Fact: Russia subways are clean and safe.

Fact: You have a Constitutional Right to Bear Arms.

Fact: States make bearing arms illegal.

Fact: Cash FRN are legal and tender for all debts public and private.

Fact: Institutions refuse to accept cash and banks refuse to give you your own money and report you to the government when you deposit or withdraw cash.

[exwoodburner]

Fact: If you get the COVID vaccine you won't get the Virus and cannot spread the disease.

Fact: if you get the COVID vaccine you can get Covid and still spread the disease.

Also don't forget:

Fact: President Biden is mentally sharp as a razor knife.

Fact: President Biden is suffering from dementia and cannot reliably finish a coherent sentence.

[ColdHouse]

Also don't forget:

Fact: President Biden is mentally sharp as a razor knife.

Fact: President Biden is suffering from dementia and cannot reliably finish a coherent sentence.

Anyway obviously you get the point. There are all these opinion presented as facts.

There might be laws of physics and actual indisputable facts, but in this day and age what a person considers an indisputable fact is now being disputed. I think there is a philosophy that 2+2=5 or something like that.

[k-2]

Fact: Saddam has weapons of mass destruction

Yes i forgot about that one.

Another string of facts that turned out to be all propaganda.

The art of finding evidence to support a theory you have already decided and ignoring evidence to the contrary.

How many died for that string of facts? At least a half million souls paid for that set of lies pushed as facts.