BigBarney, I've looked at solar and ikt's just out of my reach.
Besides being in an area without a lot of sunlight, the cost od storing the electric has stopped me.
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rberg, keeping my existing furnace ceased to be an option.
It seems that I have a cracked heat exchanger.
During this process, I learned about 2 stage furnaces.
Never heard of them before but sounds interesting.
If they work as advertised.
It seems that I have a cracked heat exchanger.
During this process, I learned about 2 stage furnaces.
Never heard of them before but sounds interesting.
If they work as advertised.
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Oil and propane.
I spent 40 years in the home heating oil business.
Propane only has approx. 2/3 the BTUs per gallon as oil.
I do know the economics but appreciate your suggestions, Big Barney.
I will be using propane for primary fuel.
Not oil nor electricity.
If I could economically store solar electric, I would consider that.
But a heat pump is almost double the initial cost to a high efficiency propane furnace.
And a little more than I'm able to stretch right now.
If I understand how a dual stage gas furnace works, a 96% dual stage furnace will be pretty efficient much of the time.
I spent 40 years in the home heating oil business.
Propane only has approx. 2/3 the BTUs per gallon as oil.
I do know the economics but appreciate your suggestions, Big Barney.
I will be using propane for primary fuel.
Not oil nor electricity.
If I could economically store solar electric, I would consider that.
But a heat pump is almost double the initial cost to a high efficiency propane furnace.
And a little more than I'm able to stretch right now.
If I understand how a dual stage gas furnace works, a 96% dual stage furnace will be pretty efficient much of the time.
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Very interesting, to me it seems like a 'low budget' practical application of this would be a sandtank in the basement, with a copper or PEX grid of piping, kind of like a humungous storage tank/indirect tank. Your boiler could run once a day (or once every few days in the summer) to heat up the mass and then the piping grid could extract the heat as needed. I feel it's a LOT easier to insulate a sandbox than a water tank....plywood, blue board, and spray foam couldn't add up to that much. Install check valves to prevent heat loss...
I do wonder how high the sand can be heated, that would determine energy density. Also I wonder where the most cost is coming from, is it really refined special sand or is it other things.
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I'm not interested in that.
I have one of these for forced air heating... Especially if you have ducts...
https://www.steffes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CP-14.pdf
It works just like a futnace only it stores the heat in the bricks...
Buy 100% of your heat at off peak prices...Usually 50% off or more...
Compare the price of your other fuels per kwhr...
I have the 3120 model with the highest option...
BigBarney
https://www.steffes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CP-14.pdf
It works just like a futnace only it stores the heat in the bricks...
Buy 100% of your heat at off peak prices...Usually 50% off or more...
Compare the price of your other fuels per kwhr...
I have the 3120 model with the highest option...
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What do one of these cost to buy?
Did you install it yourself?
Since I only, cursorily, looked, how many circuits are needed?
Is there any way I can supplement the heating of the bricks with wood/coal, for example?
Thanks for sharing.
Did you install it yourself?
Since I only, cursorily, looked, how many circuits are needed?
Is there any way I can supplement the heating of the bricks with wood/coal, for example?
Thanks for sharing.
Maybe the room units would be better...
How many rooms and sq.ft. do you have?
The 2100 models are a possible solution...Without a 200amp service...
Do you have a 200 amp service? I don't but have 3 100amp sevices...
Since these charge at night even the 100 amp service can be used...
I was able to buy these used for $150 and less...
They are easy to install just pile in the bricks and hook up the electric..
https://www.steffes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/0 ... re-web.pdf
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How many rooms and sq.ft. do you have?
The 2100 models are a possible solution...Without a 200amp service...
Do you have a 200 amp service? I don't but have 3 100amp sevices...
Since these charge at night even the 100 amp service can be used...
I was able to buy these used for $150 and less...
They are easy to install just pile in the bricks and hook up the electric..
https://www.steffes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/0 ... re-web.pdf
BigBarney
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Maybe the room units would be better...
No.
I don't think so.
I do not have 200 amp service.
Thanks for the suggestion.
No.
I don't think so.
I do not have 200 amp service.
Thanks for the suggestion.
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For me, I'm not interested in this.
It's nice to know because I was unaware of such a thing.
It's nice to know because I was unaware of such a thing.
They store from 46,000 to 136,000 BTUs... Depending on size....13.5 to 40Kwhr...
https://steffes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/21 ... -Sheet.pdf
Off peak electric is approx 50% off the rate... In NY ... In PA it is similar...
Electric rate in winter are usually the least expensive...
So this rate for off peak is 66% off ...Peak=.13812 Off Peak=.04562...
Plus taxes and fees...Some are credits and some are debits...
BigBarney
https://steffes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/21 ... -Sheet.pdf
Off peak electric is approx 50% off the rate... In NY ... In PA it is similar...
Electric rate in winter are usually the least expensive...
So this rate for off peak is 66% off ...Peak=.13812 Off Peak=.04562...
Plus taxes and fees...Some are credits and some are debits...
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26Mar2024 Electric BillLarry How much is fuel oil and propane in your area?
The NYSerda Price 15Apr2024 fuel oil is $4.14 and Propane is $3.30 gallon...
Kerosine is $4.90 gallon so I inserted them in the fuel calculator on this site...
I also changed the efficiency column to 100% for the geothermal which is now
off peak storage heat... To make it comparable...
BigBarney
The NYSerda Price 15Apr2024 fuel oil is $4.14 and Propane is $3.30 gallon...
Kerosine is $4.90 gallon so I inserted them in the fuel calculator on this site...
I also changed the efficiency column to 100% for the geothermal which is now
off peak storage heat... To make it comparable...
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