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Post by Sunny Boy » Sun. May. 27, 2018 4:45 pm

freetown fred wrote:
Sun. May. 27, 2018 4:35 pm
Love to know where those companies are/were situated geographically.
Google would know. ;)

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Post by freetown fred » Sun. May. 27, 2018 5:08 pm

Come on Paul, I said love to know-not need to know. I enjoy the guessin more & usually come out pretty close! LOL

 
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Post by warminmn » Sun. May. 27, 2018 5:28 pm

you need to know! :lol:

The first link shows wind speeds and wind farm numbers by state if you page down on the link. You can click on the pics to enlarge them. I can see now why I get so sick of looking at them here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_U ... ted_States

This one is about solar but is not as detailed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_ ... ted_States

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sun. May. 27, 2018 8:06 pm

Even semi enquiring minds need to know. :D

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Post by McGiever » Mon. May. 28, 2018 11:28 am

Sunny Boy wrote:
Sun. May. 27, 2018 11:45 am
Sure bet for solar and wind ?

My winter need for electricity is ten times that of summer.

When I need electricity the most, the days are many hours shorter, the sun angle is much lower requiring a change in panel tilt angle to gain best performance. The weather is heavy cloud cover most days of the winter months that further reduces output, the solar panels often get covered with wet snow requiring someone to go up on a roof to clear them - possibly several times a day ? No thanks.

Here wind is very inconsistent. Even the many large windmills on ridge tops north of me in Madison County are often not turning whenever I drive by. 15-20 years ago it was common to see trucks carrying windmill parts to new sites. Haven't seen any in the last 15 years. I think the wind power idea is now becalmed.

Only sure bet is lots of "solar companies" took our tax dollars and went broke when the "green power" demand didn't match the hype.

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This thread is about "Electric Power Plants"
That being said, is where my comments were based...or more so the utilities...domestic and globally both...not for residential homeowner applications as described in detail above. :)

Is it the US solar panel manufacturing companies that took Federal Monies and folded?...cause they don't build any generation plants/farms...let's not muddy the waters for the Solar and Wind as a whole for this one negative. There are plenty of solar panels made here in the US. But one wouldn't know that. There is way more drama to be had in talking about taxpayers monies and companies folding. Big Oil loves people who help to perpetuate this and other drama for so many decades now.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. May. 29, 2018 9:07 am

Mac, yes, some of those listed in my link were US companies that took Fed money and failed. Some are foreign companies. If you click on each company's name, it will go to a page with more details about that company and what happened.

Since some electric power companies are adding solar and wind to the grid, and because home owners with their own solar/wind can by law contribute to the grid, and that is likely part of the reason for the mentioned lower demand in some parts, I see it as all relevant and not mudding.

And considering solar and wind efficiency is highly subject to location, time of year, plus the whims of weather, I'd not use the term "sure bet" for them, verses power plants using a power source that works 24/7/365, no matter what the weather. You may be seeing more windmills there, but the big push for wind farms here in NYS petered out over a decade ago. The push to have a wind farm off Long Island is bogged down with a law suit in the courts. What's that tell you ? It tells me that it's not living up to the hype of politicians and companies who are looking to sell that technology.

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Post by McGiever » Tue. May. 29, 2018 10:48 am

Okay, Paul, but big board rooms across this nation and other nations are seeing things differently.


 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. May. 29, 2018 11:26 am

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Okay, Paul, but big board rooms across this nation and other nations are seeing things differently.
Yup. And how many of those green energy companies on that list I posted that failed,....had "big board rooms" ?

And remember back about 15 years ago when ethanol was going to be the next big thing in clean fuel ? Does E85 sound like it became the winner many big board rooms in the auto and oil/gas industries thought it would ? The auto industry built a lot of cars that could run on it, but the demand never happened. Instead, look at how many gas stations that within the past couple of years are carrying e-free gasoline.

Yes, outside the USA, many nations don't have their own oil, coal, or gas recourses in any abundance, so their views of energy have always been different. All of Europe and Japan have always had very high energy costs because of that. That's why France is #2 on the list of nuclear reactors for electricity (we're still #1 by a wide margin). And for all of Europe's big push for renewable green energy Europe is putting it's self even deeper at the mercy of Russian gas pipe lines.

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Post by McGiever » Tue. May. 29, 2018 12:32 pm

Thanks Paul. :)
It's not my point to debate this subject. Just trying to point out another direction that power generation is turning to despite what things looked like in the past. Yes, mistakes are never ending, but look where we have gotten to so far, mistakes and all.

Take what you will and leave the rest. ;)

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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. May. 29, 2018 1:04 pm

Left out of the LSM's news about renewable energy,......
............. while most proposed new coal power plants were canceled, some might be surprised at how many coal power plants were being built and now operating during all that renewable energy push. Even despite obummer's promise to bankrupt anyone wanting to build a coal power plant.
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Category:Pr ... ted_States

And for the first time in decades, even a new nuke reactor built in Tennessee.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-enviro ... n-decades/?

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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. May. 29, 2018 2:39 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Tue. May. 29, 2018 2:20 pm
Talked about flywheels.... for car charging...

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/chakratec-raises- ... -charging/

Use the auto EV batteries for grid storage.....

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/8 ... teries-v2g

http://www.mobilityhouse.com/en/vehicle-to-grid-u ... e-to-home/

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/why- ... gs.iY2J4ns

They would pay to use your auto to store peak energy ...

BigBarney

Taking a page from the heating oil industry of 30+ years ago.

When the EPA made it ridiculously expensive to license and maintain oil storage facilities, instead, the dealers learned to use their customers for storage and started giving price breaks to fill up their oil tanks in summer.

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Post by BigBarney » Tue. May. 29, 2018 3:39 pm

Buy the electric off peak and sell back at the peak usage time

and reap the profits , basically what the power generators do ,

produce power and store in batteries till high demand times

then let it flow . I am waiting for the Powerwall to have the

capability of two way power usage , charge the car and be able

to put power back in the line from off peak purchases.

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Post by warminmn » Tue. May. 29, 2018 3:54 pm

Doesnt the battery wear out quicker when discharged more often? Im not sure with lithium batteries so I am actually curious.

 
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Post by KLook » Tue. May. 29, 2018 4:13 pm

Don't ask pertinent questions, just go with the flow....lol

We are all going to get rich buying cheap and selling high.....where have i heard that before? :idea:

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