Troubles With Kitchen Coal Stove Draft

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 9:09 pm

Welcome back to cooking with coal, CSL ! :clap:

Paulie called me and left a message telling about the success and what he found. He said that he'd post the details later, so I'll leave that to him and just say, ..... WELL DONE, PAULIE !!!!!! :D

Paul


 
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Post by Pauliewog » Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 9:20 pm

Ok guys, Here is a quick recap, and I'll follow up with some more specific details.

Tall red brick faced interior chimney with two independent flues.

Without a doubt one of the cleanest well built and maintained chimney's I have seen. The street side flue (gas furnace) extends approx 8" higher than the range flue.

6"× 8" clay pipe flue with cemented air tight clean out connected to gas furnace.

6"x 6" clay pipe flue with cemented air tight clean out in basement connected to kitchen.

Carol and I arrived at 10:30 am. The oat was 24*F and without a fire in the range the chimney draft was -.02

First sprayed the two tabs holding the grate cover on the front of the firebox with Liquid Wrench and removed cover to expose grates.

The front liner above the grates had a burned out section causing the primary under fire air to shortcut the fire bed and create over fire flow over the grates.
Patched this area with furnace cement.

Next was to poke the inspection camera thru the check damper and up the flue. Clean as a whistle.

Lifted up a burner plate and poked the camera down.......... Rephrase..... Buried the camera down.

Proceded to remove the small clean out door under the oven and scraped, shoveled, and vacuumed 3 plastic grocery bags of fly ash from the base chamber.

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Post by Pauliewog » Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 10:13 pm

Next step with the grate cover off, was to get the basement ash dump slide gate to open and close correctly, and poke the camera down the pipe into the ash bin. Awesome turn of the century setup. With daily use, it looks like it could easily hold 6 months of ash. Everything was clear and with the slide gate operating again, and the frost melted off the roof, it was time to climb the 40' ladder and check it out from the top.

Both flues were imaculate and the view from the roof spectacular !

Opps...... Got ahead of myself......

First, grabbed the step ladder from the truck, removed the flue elbow, a section of pipe, stuck the inspection camera in the thimble, and took a look up and down......... Clean !

Ok ....... Now with my knees still wobbling from the trip up to the sky , it was time to reinstall the flue pipe. The 6" flue pipe was a loose fit in the thimble, so I packed the gap with some fiberglass insulation.

Only thing left was to reinstall and seal the grate cover, grab a little paper, cardboard, kindling, and light it up.

The time was 3:15 when she roared to life. Layered on a little Blaschack nut, followed by a layer of Susquehanna that I grabbed from the truck while we loaded up the tools.

Not sure what was brighter........ The blue ladies dancing............ Or the sparkle in CSL's eyes :D

With the firebox full, the draft at -.08, the water boiling in the pan, the lids getting red, and the oven right at 475*........... Oh yeah and my last cup of coffee finished............ It was time for Paulie and Carol to head back home.

Paulie' Stove Rescue could do no more, and hopefully CSL will now be the newest member of the one match club !

I would like to thank all our members for their valued input and continued support in taking CSL into the Coal Pail family and under our wings.

Paulie

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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 10:32 pm

Well done - and good on you, Paulie !!!

Sorry I couldn't take your call reporting of progress. I knew you'd figure out what was causing the problem. ;)

Paul

 
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Post by Pauliewog » Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 10:36 pm

A few more pics. The basement ash dump slide gate was jammed partially open. Although you would think this should benefit the under fire draft , with the gas furnace running and discharging basement air, I wanted to get it working just in case it might pick up a negative pressure when dampened down.

Paulie

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Post by Pauliewog » Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 10:42 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:
Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 10:32 pm
Well done - and good on you, Paulie !!!

Sorry I couldn't take your call reporting of progress. I knew you'd figure out what was causing the problem. ;)

Paul
Not a problem, I just wanted to give you an update :D

This was a Team effort and you deserve to take a bow also. :yes:

Paulie

 
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Post by CapeCoaler » Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 11:02 pm

I love happy endings...
Thanks for the detailed report...
So a little leakage with a nice blockage...
Was the cause of our cold stove...


 
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Post by Pauliewog » Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 11:10 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:
Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 11:02 pm
I love happy endings...
Thanks for the detailed report...
So a little leakage with a nice blockage...
Was the cause of our cold stove...
That pretty much sums it up :yes:

Paulie

 
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Post by Pauliewog » Sat. Nov. 11, 2017 11:15 pm

franco b wrote:
Mon. Oct. 16, 2017 8:29 pm
The wood fire burns well and the coal fire not.

Air is bypassing the coal which needs air from below which would not effect the wood fire. Find out where air is getting into the stove above the fire box and stop it.

That's what I mean ............ Team effort ! :yes: :clap:

Paulie

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sun. Nov. 12, 2017 6:26 am

Thanks Paulie, Looks like SunnyBoy will have some more competition in the Cookin with coal thread.

 
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Post by D-frost » Sun. Nov. 12, 2017 7:55 am

Paulie,
Nice work, thank you for being the 'foot soldier'. A team effort, but you made it happen.

CSL- Congratulations! Please keep us in a 'progress loop', and show us what that beautiful kitchen range can do. Happy Holidays!
Cheers

 
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Post by scalabro » Sun. Nov. 12, 2017 8:01 am

Great job Paulie!

Now, CSL, you must post lots of cooking pictures and recipes on the “Cooking With Coal” thread!

 
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Post by wilsons woodstoves » Sun. Nov. 12, 2017 9:21 am

good job paulie, you make this whole thing worth wile. that pic. with the ash pitt area lit up was great......

 
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Post by Hambden Bob » Sun. Nov. 12, 2017 9:32 am

MadMan Of Merciful Coal Stove Rescue !

You really Smashed It Out Of The Park,Wogs !! This Thread's Throwin' Out Multiple Rewards To All,to say the least ! The Surprise of Meeting CSL was just one Whopper ! The breakthrough of her Trusting that We were'nt Flyash Addled Whacko's on the InterWeb,coupled with just how Genuine CSL is was a real Cake-Taker ! What the 'Ol Wogs and Miss Carol have done here Represents and Testifies to the Quality of Far-Flung Folks the Mayor has had washed up on his beach,here,in the Coal Zone !

CSL,please feel free to post a Selfie or two of Yourself Foaming At the Mouth while Slingin' Da' Hash on that Coal Fired Beauty !

This thread has given me an Early Christmas 'fer sure !
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Post by franco b » Sun. Nov. 12, 2017 9:36 am

It is a team effort with so many posts.

You went straight to the problem and nailed it, but then went beyond the call of duty and cast a diagnostic eye from roof to cellar. You shall be mentioned in dispatches.


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