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Post by Jlinde37 » Sun. Sep. 22, 2019 4:58 pm

Need some help guys. New to the forum not new to solid fuel boilers. I recently got a smoking deal on a 2 year old DS aquagem 3200 ($700!!) Anyways all plumbed up just working on the electric controls. It has a Samson draft regulator but also has a draft inducer fan. My setup is both high temp baseboards and low temp radiant heat in concrete. The system worked great with my 1980s Jensen's wood boiler. My main question is the aquastat for the draft inducer motor. There is currently a 6006a installed but my old wood boiler had a high/low limit a-stat for the inducer fan. Should I not use the samson draft regulator as my system unfortunately is not plumbed for a gravity system[for power failure]

I am new to burning coal and dont know if they like just chimney draft or the inducer fan. (I do have a dryer manometer and baro set at .6) Should I be looking for a high/low aquastat? The system is plumbed primary/secondary with 2 zones. Both have their own circ. With Boiler circ running 24/7. I also do not have DHW Coil, just a side arm heat exchanger.

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Post by Rob R. » Sun. Sep. 22, 2019 5:00 pm

I would try it with natural draft. The Samson control should be very accurate.

 
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Post by Jlinde37 » Sun. Sep. 22, 2019 5:02 pm

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Post by Jlinde37 » Sun. Sep. 22, 2019 5:07 pm

Rob R. wrote:
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I would try it with natural draft. The Samson control should be very accurate.
That's what I was thinking and just plug the inducer fan in to get fire going and let the L6006A shut it off around 140. My only fear is when power goes.out and the primary circ stops the samson wont and keep feeding the fire. The T&P will be piped outside in case of this event

 
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Post by Rob R. » Sun. Sep. 22, 2019 5:29 pm

Piped outside? What happens if you have a slow drip and if freezes closed?

 
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Post by Jlinde37 » Sun. Sep. 22, 2019 5:35 pm

Rob R. wrote:
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Piped outside? What happens if you have a slow drip and if freezes closed?
Never thought about that..But i do have 2 installed on the system

 
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Post by CapeCoaler » Sun. Sep. 22, 2019 8:50 pm

Not outside...
Nope...


 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Tue. Sep. 24, 2019 10:30 am

Jlinde37 wrote:
Sun. Sep. 22, 2019 5:07 pm
That's what I was thinking and just plug the inducer fan in to get fire going and let the L6006A shut it off around 140. My only fear is when power goes.out and the primary circ stops the samson wont and keep feeding the fire. The T&P will be piped outside in case of this event
Also if your on your own well with a pump, when the power goes out it won’t keep the boiler full of water if the t&p is dumping water out of the boiler.

 
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Post by McGiever » Tue. Sep. 24, 2019 12:02 pm

I know you came here for help with answers...what does DS and written manual say of this?
Samson valve, being non-electrical, will always do as it sees fit, and has no other control influences other than if air source is available, then, to pass or meter that air as required to the fire. If boiler cools add more air till its hot again.

Therefore the combustion fan/blower 'must be' the 'controlling device' of choice, electrically.
And the 'fail safe' (grid loss) should be to stop or block all combustion air to the Samson..
Certainly not want left to run up to max setting for the duration unhindered w/o pumps running..

No air...no fire...

 
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Post by David... » Sun. Sep. 29, 2019 9:15 am

Is the flue piped to a chimney that goes up higher than your roof?

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Post by Jlinde37 » Thu. Oct. 03, 2019 1:32 pm

David... wrote:
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Is the flue piped to a chimney that goes up higher than your roof?

David
You guys are all making good points. Yes the boiler is located in a 10x30 addition off the side of my 2 story house. So its above the addition roof but not the 2 story roof.

 
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Post by Jlinde37 » Thu. Oct. 03, 2019 1:36 pm

hotblast1357 wrote:
Tue. Sep. 24, 2019 10:30 am
Also if your on your own well with a pump, when the power goes out it won’t keep the boiler full of water if the t&p is dumping water out of the boiler.
Should I be pumping cold water into an overheating boiler if the power goes out?
I do have a well with a 25 gallon bladder.
I do not have a auto fill valve I manually fill it with a ball valve and set to 10psi cold.
So what can happen when say grid loss and pumps stop and boilers overheats and streams off? Can this harm the boiler?

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Thu. Oct. 03, 2019 4:33 pm

Sure it can, water is coming out of the boiler, but no water is going in.

 
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Post by CapeCoaler » Thu. Oct. 03, 2019 4:36 pm

Battery backup...
Until you can get a genny going...

 
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Post by McGiever » Thu. Oct. 03, 2019 10:47 pm

Jlinde37 wrote:
Thu. Oct. 03, 2019 1:32 pm
You guys are all making good points. Yes the boiler is located in a 10x30 addition off the side of my 2 story house. So its above the addition roof but not the 2 story roof.
This isn't like burning wood.
What does your manometer tell you about your draft?

A coal appliance to operate off it's own naturally produced draft must meet minimum stack requirements, not your own minimum, but proper chimney installation minimum.

Draft is a negative pressure...what cannot get out of the chimney cannot allow much anything to get drawn in on the other end.
Too much or too little will disappoint...like Goldie Locks, it has to be just right...


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