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Post by hotblast1357 » Fri. Dec. 15, 2017 10:11 pm

My point exactly, it’s nice to talk about gravity systems, but no one on here is installing them.


 
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Post by jremington » Fri. Dec. 15, 2017 11:07 pm

ASea wrote:
Fri. Dec. 15, 2017 6:20 pm
I doubt mine is but it certainly makes sense to set it up like that
You're new one could be gravity fed depending on the set up of your radiators.

 
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Post by Rob R. » Sun. Dec. 17, 2017 7:18 am

I think both units would work well for you, but I have been down the hand-fired boiler route and urge you to take another look at a stoker boiler.

Anway, back to the hand feds. The EFM unit has a Sampson aquastat also. Rather than having a combustion blower that turns on and off, the Sampson unit senses the boiler temperature and raises or lowers a chain that is connected to the inlet damper. The EFM unit is an ASME coded boiler. That may not matter in PA, but it would be good to see if there is any code requirement in your area.

 
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Post by oliver power » Sun. Dec. 17, 2017 8:51 am

I have no experience with a hand fired boiler. If I lived off the grid, or at least set a place up to live fully off the grid, a hand fired boiler, with a gravity system sounds like a fun project to do.

However, without going into detail, I don't think you can beat a stoker boiler if on the grid.

Now, when it comes to coal stoves, I think just the opposite. I'd never own a stoker stove (My Personal Opinion). Myself, I find playing with a hand fired stove is fun. Till you learn the stove, it can be challenging, but fun.

Did I mention my stoker boiler (Kaa-2) is boring. The more the temperatures drop, the bigger the grin is on my face. The little Kaa-2 purrs along flawlessly. Still, it's boring. Empty ashes, add coal. I can easily go out 36 hours between tending times. The problem I had was; depending on how hard it was running, the ash box may over flow. .........and I just took care of that little problem. As a rule, I tend my Kaa-2 "Stoker" boiler every 24 hours.

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Sun. Dec. 17, 2017 9:23 am

I’ve ran a,
hand fed hot air furnace,
Antique base burner with magazine,
Hand fed little Franco belge,
Hand fed boiler,
And now stoker boiler.

If you’ve got nothing to do all winter, don’t have crazy hours at work, are home every 12 hours, and like playing with fire and “tinkering” and want no electrical need, then put in a hopper fed bi metallic controlled stove in the center of the house, or center of basement, and enjoy the wonders of coal!

or Enjoy the wonders of coal like I do, heat my downstairs and upstairs, and domestic water, and put coal in and empty my ash tub once a week.

 
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Post by jremington » Sun. Dec. 17, 2017 9:43 am

I'm not sure why people think the DS units aren't ASME certified. They are and are also UL listed. Our local HEAP Department payed last year to install one for the first time ever with State funding.

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Sun. Dec. 17, 2017 10:00 am

That is great that HEAP is doing that instead of wasting money with fuel oil!


 
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Post by jremington » Sun. Dec. 17, 2017 1:24 pm

hotblast1357 wrote:
Sun. Dec. 17, 2017 10:00 am
That is great that HEAP is doing that instead of wasting money with fuel oil!
They are now allowing people with wood stoves that need replacing to install coal instead. We are doing a Kozi King furnace this week through HEAP.

 
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Post by bcdex » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 3:02 pm

By: jremington » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:43 am


"I'm not sure why people think the DS units aren't ASME certified. They are and are also UL listed. Our local HEAP Department payed last year to install one for the first time ever with State funding."

I see people saying that all the time jremington. I have a DS 1100 and it has a tag on it that it is certified.

 
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Post by lincolnmania » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 3:11 pm

why not just run a stoker boiler with a backup solar system and batteries and a power inverter.
i started with hand fed coal furnaces.....i don't ever want to go back!

 
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Post by rberq » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 4:05 pm

jremington wrote:
Sun. Dec. 17, 2017 1:24 pm
They are now allowing people with wood stoves that need replacing to install coal instead.
One of the best ideas I have heard for some time!

 
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Post by coaledsweat » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 4:20 pm

You need very large pipes for a good gravity feed system. One of the reasons most stick with a pump. Replumbing and entire house to replace a pump with nothing doesn't make a lot of sense.

 
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Post by Pacowy » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 5:07 pm

Rob R. wrote:
Sun. Dec. 17, 2017 7:18 am
That may not matter in PA, but it would be good to see if there is any code requirement in your area.
For ASea, AFAIK MA requires H-stamp for all residential central heating boilers.

Mike

 
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Post by ASea » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 5:20 pm

Pacowy wrote:
Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 5:07 pm
For ASea, AFAIK MA requires H-stamp for all residential central heating boilers.

Mike
Thanks Mike! After talking with you and others I'm pretty sure I'm gonna try for a stoker boiler when I have cash in hand. With our work and activity schedule tending two times a day just isn't anywhere near ideal

 
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Post by Pacowy » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 5:33 pm

You're welcome. That sounds like a plan.

Mike


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