Iron Fireman / Bitumenous Tools?
Helped clean out an old house last week and came across some coal-related stuff, mabye someone can identify
Several "grabber" type tools, any relation to the Iron Fireman book that was on the wall next to the boiler? There were a few "mini-hoe"'s like the hook bar in the pic also.
Stoker (if there was one) is long gone. Boiler is a W-M #77 in hydronic trim. No grates to be found, believe me I looked
Is the green wrench next to the Iron Fireman book for the stoker? I've seen plenty of anthracite leftovers around here but never bit. coal.
Several "grabber" type tools, any relation to the Iron Fireman book that was on the wall next to the boiler? There were a few "mini-hoe"'s like the hook bar in the pic also.
Stoker (if there was one) is long gone. Boiler is a W-M #77 in hydronic trim. No grates to be found, believe me I looked
Is the green wrench next to the Iron Fireman book for the stoker? I've seen plenty of anthracite leftovers around here but never bit. coal.
Attachments
- rockwood
- Member
- Posts: 1381
- Joined: Sun. Sep. 21, 2008 7:37 pm
- Location: Utah
- Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Stokermatic
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Rockwood Stoveworks Circulator
- Baseburners & Antiques: Malleable/Monarch Range
- Coal Size/Type: Lump and stoker + Blaschak-stove size
We had an old "clinker grabber" very much like the one at the bottom of photo #1. It was about 6 feet long as I remember. My grandparents had one about 3' in length that opened and closed like a T-rex mouth (for a lack of a better way to describe it) and you would pull a trigger mechanism to operate it instead of a twisting/turning motion.
Cool find!
Cool find!
- Sting
- Member
- Posts: 2983
- Joined: Mon. Feb. 25, 2008 4:24 pm
- Location: Lower Fox Valley = Wisconsin
- Other Heating: OBSO Lennox Pulse "Air Scorcher" burning NG
top picture - I have the top three tools - two I have here - the larger fork I keep at the fire fit for moving chunks
The large end of the wrench is for the stoker drive - so you can turn the feed screw by hand; and the square drives are for the jam nuts on the inspection caps.
I don't have a book.
You would turn off the combustion air -- use the solid tool with the hook to pull up clinker chunks or bust em to size so you could then reach in with the fork and extract them to a cool down pile near and on the floor. I remember they smoked in the basement for a while till cool
The large end of the wrench is for the stoker drive - so you can turn the feed screw by hand; and the square drives are for the jam nuts on the inspection caps.
I don't have a book.
You would turn off the combustion air -- use the solid tool with the hook to pull up clinker chunks or bust em to size so you could then reach in with the fork and extract them to a cool down pile near and on the floor. I remember they smoked in the basement for a while till cool
- LsFarm
- Member
- Posts: 7383
- Joined: Sun. Nov. 20, 2005 8:02 pm
- Location: Michigan
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
- Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
- Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland
Hello djackman, those are 'clinker tongs', like giant salad tongs With Bituminous stokers, the coal is supposed to clinker, making it easier to remove the ashes.. well that really didn't make a lot of sense, I'll try to explain.
The Bituminous stokers don't have an ash pan. The stoker's firepot is slid into the boiler/furnace through the unit's [removed] ashpan doorway, the firepot centered in the burn chamber [grates removed] then refractory cement is poured around the firepot, making a solid surface between the firpot and the walls of the burn chamber. As the coal is pushed up into the firepot, it burns and clinkers, heat-welds together, making big clinkers that fall off to the sides onto the shelf of refractory cement.. The daily or sometimes every 3-4 hour job is to open the door and using the clinker tongs, remove the accumulated fused ash. Then if needed use the hoe and poker to clean up the refractory shelf so more clinkers can accumulate.
Bituminous coal costs 1/4-1/3 of what anthracite costs, and back in the 1930's and 40's when the Iron Fireman and other underfeed Bituminous stokers were popular, Bituminous was very cheap. These stokers were designed and for a while were able to hold off the switch-over to 'cheap and easy' oil burners for the home heating systems.. but eventually oil won out.
I own two of these Iron Fireman stoker units, and have been searching ebay for years trying to find one of the owners manuals that you have.. Can I ask you to please make a photo copy of it for me? I'll reimburse all costs..
Please check your PM's.
Greg L.
I'm going to move this to the Bituminous forum.
The Bituminous stokers don't have an ash pan. The stoker's firepot is slid into the boiler/furnace through the unit's [removed] ashpan doorway, the firepot centered in the burn chamber [grates removed] then refractory cement is poured around the firepot, making a solid surface between the firpot and the walls of the burn chamber. As the coal is pushed up into the firepot, it burns and clinkers, heat-welds together, making big clinkers that fall off to the sides onto the shelf of refractory cement.. The daily or sometimes every 3-4 hour job is to open the door and using the clinker tongs, remove the accumulated fused ash. Then if needed use the hoe and poker to clean up the refractory shelf so more clinkers can accumulate.
Bituminous coal costs 1/4-1/3 of what anthracite costs, and back in the 1930's and 40's when the Iron Fireman and other underfeed Bituminous stokers were popular, Bituminous was very cheap. These stokers were designed and for a while were able to hold off the switch-over to 'cheap and easy' oil burners for the home heating systems.. but eventually oil won out.
I own two of these Iron Fireman stoker units, and have been searching ebay for years trying to find one of the owners manuals that you have.. Can I ask you to please make a photo copy of it for me? I'll reimburse all costs..
Please check your PM's.
Greg L.
I'm going to move this to the Bituminous forum.
Yeah-boy! The CO detectors would have been screaming back then, huh?Sting wrote: ... you could then reach in with the fork and extract them to a cool down pile near and on the floor. I remember they smoked in the basement for a while till cool
- LsFarm
- Member
- Posts: 7383
- Joined: Sun. Nov. 20, 2005 8:02 pm
- Location: Michigan
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
- Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
- Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland
Yeah, the wonderful smell of sulphur, hell-fire and brimstone, in everyones house !!
On my stoker unit, which is a smallish one, [Sting's stoker is about 3x-4x the capacity], the hex end of the wrench is for removing the cap over the shear-pin /drive end of the auger. The end of my auger is square, so the square holes in the wrench would be for backing up the auger to clear rocks from the tube, and for assisting in clearing the tube for summer clean-up.
The manual will have some info on setting the air controls, these units have some fairly sophisticated air flappers, with pressure feedback tubes, that I don't understand how to set..
A really neat find !!
Greg L
On my stoker unit, which is a smallish one, [Sting's stoker is about 3x-4x the capacity], the hex end of the wrench is for removing the cap over the shear-pin /drive end of the auger. The end of my auger is square, so the square holes in the wrench would be for backing up the auger to clear rocks from the tube, and for assisting in clearing the tube for summer clean-up.
The manual will have some info on setting the air controls, these units have some fairly sophisticated air flappers, with pressure feedback tubes, that I don't understand how to set..
A really neat find !!
Greg L
- LsFarm
- Member
- Posts: 7383
- Joined: Sun. Nov. 20, 2005 8:02 pm
- Location: Michigan
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
- Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
- Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland
Here is the hex-shaped cover over the shear pin mechanism on my Iron Fireman: It is just below the brass name plate on the transmission/gearbox. This cover is very much like a grease cap over the front wheel bearings on an automobile.
- Sting
- Member
- Posts: 2983
- Joined: Mon. Feb. 25, 2008 4:24 pm
- Location: Lower Fox Valley = Wisconsin
- Other Heating: OBSO Lennox Pulse "Air Scorcher" burning NG
Ahhhhh that's right -- old timers syndromeLsFarm wrote:the hex end of the wrench is for removing the cap over the shear-pin /drive end of the auger. The end of my auger is square, so the square holes in the wrench would be for backing up the auger to clear rocks from the tube, and for assisting in clearing the tube for summer clean-up.
I think there are still a couple of them flat wrench's on nails - hanging around the place == But yours is nice an clean
- rockwood
- Member
- Posts: 1381
- Joined: Sun. Sep. 21, 2008 7:37 pm
- Location: Utah
- Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Stokermatic
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Rockwood Stoveworks Circulator
- Baseburners & Antiques: Malleable/Monarch Range
- Coal Size/Type: Lump and stoker + Blaschak-stove size
Thanks for posting that manual. Interesting to read the adjusting air supply/chimney draft section.
-
- Member
- Posts: 85
- Joined: Sat. Jul. 19, 2008 9:54 pm
- Location: Southest CT
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 30 95
Glad I stumbled on the series of posts related to the iron fireman, when I was a really young a neighbor of my grandfather had one of these in his cellar. My grandfather hand stoked his furnace and also the gas and coal kitchen range. Clearly remember the robot pictured on the users manual that hung by the furnace at the neighbors house. I wasn't to keen about getting to close to the unit because of the noise, now I understand it was from a blower and feed system. This is really interesting and if someone doesn't mind maybe answer a few questions, I did read the scanned manual posted.
What type of regulation controlled the feed and air rate, I know the unit had to run all the time to maintain the fire?
There was a wheel barrow next to the iron fireman with coal in it I now assume this must have been used to fill a hopper, how big was the hopper, can't even remember?
Were iron fireman's for hot air or steam?
Thanks curious in CT.
What type of regulation controlled the feed and air rate, I know the unit had to run all the time to maintain the fire?
There was a wheel barrow next to the iron fireman with coal in it I now assume this must have been used to fill a hopper, how big was the hopper, can't even remember?
Were iron fireman's for hot air or steam?
Thanks curious in CT.
- coaledsweat
- Site Moderator
- Posts: 13767
- Joined: Fri. Oct. 27, 2006 2:05 pm
- Location: Guilford, Connecticut
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
- Coal Size/Type: Pea
Hot air, hot water or steam, whatever it was installed in IIRC.duck wrote:Were iron fireman's for hot air or steam?
- LsFarm
- Member
- Posts: 7383
- Joined: Sun. Nov. 20, 2005 8:02 pm
- Location: Michigan
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
- Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
- Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland
The Iron Fireman was a stoker unit made to replace the shaker grates and hand feeding in a hand fired boiler, [water or steam] or furnace [hot air]. As described above, the unit was slid into the boiler through the ashpan door, then cemented in place.
With the refractory cement sealing the combustion chamber, the natural draft of the chimney would pull air through the fire, the burn pot, and the stationary fan when the unit was not running, this kept the fire alive between calls for heat. The units had a timer set to run at least once an hour or more often depending on the draft, the burn qualities of the Bit. coal and the time of year.
When the boiler called for heat, the unit ran, with the combustion fan on the extended motor shaft, the worm-drive and auger feed off of the three-step belt drive.. my unit will run at 30#, 20# or 10# per hour feed.. the unit will feed and run untill the call for heat is satisfied or the water/steam temp limits reached. This is similar to or identical to a modern coal stoker boiler/furnace.
Below are photos of the Iron Fireman wrench 'in use'. Thanks Bob !!
Greg L
With the refractory cement sealing the combustion chamber, the natural draft of the chimney would pull air through the fire, the burn pot, and the stationary fan when the unit was not running, this kept the fire alive between calls for heat. The units had a timer set to run at least once an hour or more often depending on the draft, the burn qualities of the Bit. coal and the time of year.
When the boiler called for heat, the unit ran, with the combustion fan on the extended motor shaft, the worm-drive and auger feed off of the three-step belt drive.. my unit will run at 30#, 20# or 10# per hour feed.. the unit will feed and run untill the call for heat is satisfied or the water/steam temp limits reached. This is similar to or identical to a modern coal stoker boiler/furnace.
Below are photos of the Iron Fireman wrench 'in use'. Thanks Bob !!
Greg L
Just got an Iron Fireman last night. A friend got it from a city worker who knew him as he does scrap metal. The kid thought of me to use it as a forge. Came from the local museum in town (all volunteer) so will walk up to it, /12 mile, later today to get more information on how they got it, used it, etc. I was looking for a manual and only took me just shy of an hour and a half to find you guys. Thanks for the manual you posted here. It also seems parts are pretty available. Now the fun begins!!! Got to love the internet.