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Post by warminmn » Mon. Dec. 30, 2019 12:41 am

Yes, they are sexy, i get that, my Efel is too, I miss her when Im cold, but show me yours and I'll show you mine :lol:

My past girl Efel, lol, ok she was a European stove, nice looking, but she didnt circulate enough heat ;) I went back to USA made heaters :D She liked ant much better than anything else, as she was designed for it.

Im not doubting your boiler is efficient, cheap to run in your situation, but its not for everyone. Too much setup cost and wont fit into the trunk of my Crown Vic and that trunk is pretty big :D I'd love to see facts and figures, pictures, etc, of the ACTUAL EXACT stove heating your place, not web image links. Its not hard to post pictures here. As they say, no pictures and it didnt happen!cc (I do remember a pic or 2 you have posted but they were poor)

Im glad your boiler works for you. Any boiler would not work for me, or for many others. They have their place but are not a one stove fit all thingy. Its all about staying warm cheap, not satisfying the masses.

 
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Post by fig » Mon. Dec. 30, 2019 1:17 am

ratherbeflying wrote:
Wed. Sep. 04, 2019 10:58 am
so burning bit can be done in a normal hand fed? i thought you needed a different set up or something for bit? over the fire air at least? my stove doesnt have an adjustable over the fire air adjustment. (gibraltar MCC) i didnt know i could just throw bit in there i thought it was a different process
Gibraltar also made a wood coal stove. Glacier Bay. It had spinners on the doors. No glass. It would be a good bit burner and those grates are awesome.


How do you go about getting one of those coal gasification stoves brought over here?

 
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Post by Hambden Bob » Mon. Dec. 30, 2019 7:54 am

What an interesting Dilemma in the eyes of an Ohio Boy! Most of Us Wished We Lived right on top of NEPA! It's the Motherland of everything We hold Dear regarding American Anthracite! Shoulder Months' Burn Period requires adjustments in what and how is burned. I get that,and I get what the OP was after when he started this Thread. To me,the Master of This Situation Dictates that he may have to go through some time and expense movements to gain the Bit that he's after. Those movements and actions would also blow right out of the water what he's after-Simple Economy Using Bit! As the Mining for Bit in Southern Ohio,West Virginia and Kentucky fades,the price will rise and the access get's tougher for the single residential user. My Alzheimers Addled Memory seems to dredge up some Stalwart Bit Guys here,namely Berlin and the Venerable BKSaun. The OP may want to tap into Our Archives on these two High Volatiles Fiends and see where they went with the Bit. As far as a Most Responsible Purveyor of the Bit in PA.,I'd work with Our Very Own Coal Jockey! He definitely won't Shuck and Jive You Right Out Of Your Wallet,nor having You trying to Burn Buffalo Turds Misrepresented as Decent Bit!!

 
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Post by BigBarney » Tue. Dec. 31, 2019 3:54 pm

Warminmn:


Here's a table of how people heat ....

https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/census/hi ... fuels.html

Both hot air and hot water heating dominate in the fossil fuel heating

market ,when you combine the wood and coal stove together are ~1% of the

market. Most people want central heat for their needs.

Remember the old large houses with many fireplaces to feed , you need

people 24/7 to tend,ash and get fuel to them. Once you make a change for

the better you don't go back.

I have posted many items explaining how my boiler operates .

I burn 95% bit coal and have for many years and am able to do it

efficiently with a very clean burn and hardly a dab of smoke except

when starting up after cleaning the grate of debris .

I will make a post with more boiler operation if you want.

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Post by warminmn » Tue. Dec. 31, 2019 4:39 pm

Yes, I'd love to see photos of your system BB. And maybe a link to the exact one from the manuafacturers website if its still being made.

Interesting chart, state by state, the difference in the fuels used.

One thing I do forget sometimes is how much bigger the old houses are in the east compared to here. 100 year old homes here, or even 50 years old are usually 900-1300 square feet counting 2 floors. New homes here are often big now, but not the old ones (exceptions of course). So boilers just arent needed here like they are to the east, with older homes. We have cheap propane here, sometimes under $1/gallon but usually 1.20 to $1.40. And of course natural gas in most towns. Most new homes here just install high efficiency furnaces, in fact I think they all do except Amish. The only boilers I even see are OWB's. I imagine some homes have boilers in their basements here but I dont know of any personally. I have never seen a stove sitting in front of a fireplace in my life either, as is so common in the east. Inserts yes, but not stoves, ever.

There are reasons a boiler is needed more to the east because of home sizes and not having cheap propane.

Myself I would not enjoy a boiler at all, or a furnace. I like the heat from a space heater better, as do many. Even with my cheap propane I have only used about 200 gallons since 2005. That is also with a space heater but its not like a wood or coal stove is. My basement has a worn out furnace and it will never be replaced by me.


 
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Post by fig » Wed. Jan. 01, 2020 3:03 am

I’d be very interested in a downdraft stove that burns bit.

 
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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Jan. 02, 2020 11:52 am

Some people like stoves but once central heating was available most

people switched for the simplicity of just adjusting a thermostat.

Here is a view of a boiler similar to mine as the unit I have is no

longer made.

This is looking into the secondary air intake.

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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Jan. 02, 2020 12:59 pm

Here's one from 2009...

With Valier Coal...

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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Jan. 02, 2020 1:16 pm

Here's a Kalvis Boiler....

https://www.kalvis.lt/en/produkto-kategorija/dome ... ing-boiler

Go to characteristics for info ,they also burn wood....

There are many more all over Europe..

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Post by warminmn » Thu. Jan. 02, 2020 2:22 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Thu. Jan. 02, 2020 1:16 pm
Here's a Kalvis Boiler....

https://www.kalvis.lt/en/produkto-kategorija/dome ... ing-boiler

Go to characteristics for info ,they also burn wood....

There are many more all over Europe..

BigBarney
thanks!

Video and pics show, this link shows as a fatal error for some reason. I'll look up the company and find it that way. Where did you buy the boiler? Was/is there a dealer in the states? Someone may find this link someday and want to look into buying one. Fig sounds interested.

Feeding this what sized coal?


 
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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Jan. 02, 2020 2:47 pm

Try This link...

https://www.kalvis.lt/buitiniu-katalogas/

This is a description of the process..

Page then on left "new method of burning fuel"

http://stove.ru/stati/delayut_nashi_pechi_po_avto ... resheniyam

Your browser should translate..

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Post by warminmn » Thu. Jan. 02, 2020 7:55 pm

That 2nd link is going to take a while to read! I bookmarked it. link to the page you mentioned for others: http://stove.ru/stati/o_novom_sposobe_sjiganiya_topliva_

I dont see anything on them about dealers in this country. Did you have it delivered here or is there a dealer in the states?

 
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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Jan. 02, 2020 8:58 pm

This 2nd link has a lot about mason built firepits of all types.

One session has the explanation of the concept of a spllt inside

of the combustion chamber where the up and down action of the

gases and air are separate streams and don't interact until they

reach the top and intermingle and part go down to burning area.

This is the process used in downdraft heating units.

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Post by BigBarney » Fri. Jan. 03, 2020 8:53 pm

Look for "Modern baseburner reproduction" in the "antique baseburner".
February 2019

The section on the 1868 Morning Glory Stove has a lot of info on this design.

There were many stoves built with some of the features of this patent.

There is even a brick built heater similar to the Russian designs.

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