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General topics about using bituminous coal for residential and commercial heating. Pros, cons, and where to get it.
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Post Sat. Dec. 08, 2007 11:11 am

ok this is strange but maybe someone can help me understand it. I live near bangor maine. burn anthracite but was concidering mixing bituminous because of the pricing. from what I know bituminous is pretty inexpensive usually 50% less than anthracite. heck some of the guys in penn pick it up off the side of the interstate in buckets. why then was I quoted a price of $9.00 for a 50lb bag of bituminous and $8.00 a 50lb bag of anthracite. THAT'S $405.00 A TON FOR BITUMINOUS!!!!!! someone please help me make sense of this. hmmmm maybe if I buy it by the piece it won't seem as bad lol.


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Post Sat. Dec. 08, 2007 12:55 pm

Buy the anthracite and forget about the bituminous at that price. More heat, less money and grief.
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Post Sat. Dec. 08, 2007 1:05 pm

Burning a mixture of bituminous mixed with anthracite is similar to burning strait bituminous. If you are buying bit. for 8.00 bag that is way too expensive!!!! :( Especialy if it is more expensive than anthracite. Anthracite is a better quality coal with more uniform burn. I like to mix them because Bit. is so cheap. but only if I have time to watch it.There is a much higher ash content to bit so it will fill your ash pan faster. also burn times on a load will be less reqiring more attention than anthracite. However there is much less bridging with a mixtuere than with bituminous. :) Definitely use anthracite unless you like to play around 8-) :P :yes:
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Post Sat. Dec. 08, 2007 5:28 pm

You live closer to the Anthracite mines and breakers than the Bituminous mines... your pricing is all about transportation. In West Virginia, Bituminous is about $60/ton at the mine, Anthracite is about $140++/ton. It's all about transportation.

But the Anthracite, like stated above, cleaner, longer burn, less grief. [less bridging, ash, soot].

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Post Mon. Jan. 14, 2008 5:24 pm

I just bought my furnace two weeks ago and the sole reason was an est. $2600 in fuel oil cost for this heating season I can get Bit for $80 per ton driving right to the mine myself . Until I get a bin built I'm burning wooden skids for free and the only down side seems to be seperating the nails from the ash before I spredem' on the driveway.

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Post Sat. Jan. 19, 2008 1:52 pm

I couldn't find coal in the Chicago area, so I had my brother downstate locate someone who would sell to us. It is $40/ton loose Illinois Bituminous, and they'll seel smaller lots (half tons, etc) for a bit of a premium. We're buying a load this weekend and I"ll report later on the quality. The mine is in the area of Springfield, Ill. If anyone wants details, let me know.

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Post Sat. Jan. 19, 2008 4:36 pm

Lazza, you can buy anthracite in Napanee Indiana. Good clean burning, soot free anthracite.. Pm me for the phone number of the retailer.

What are you burning coal in??

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Post Sun. Jan. 20, 2008 11:49 am

That's the thing- I'm a total newbie at this. I bought 500 pounds of cannel coal from a dealer in Patterson NJ (I lived back East then) before Y2K to burn in my fireplace (w decent sealing glass doors) as an adjunct to wood. I crafted a grate with metal rods and hardware cloth, and it worked well. Despite complaints from the neighbors because of the smell, it really improved the fire and put out some heat.

I'm back in Illinois, and I am looking for an economical way to heat my deer camp, and, if that works, to put in a coal stove in my house here in the suburbs of Chicago. I have a (cheap) Vogelsang boxwood stove, burning a mix of wood and Bit until I get my firecraft up to speed. I am currently looking around for a bargain coal stove, but am not having any luck around here.

That's the long story. Napanee-- how much do they want for anthracite? Thanks, in advance for any tips, you guys.


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Post Sun. Jan. 20, 2008 1:02 pm

Lazza wrote: Despite complaints from the neighbors because of the smell, it really improved the fire and put out some heat.
The neighbors won't complain about the anthracite because they won't even know you're burning it. :P You mentioned suburbs and I'd imagine you're going to make more than few people unhappy. Just a thought. Prices vary of course where you live but if you can pick it up yourself locally here in PA it's about $130 a ton. That may double or even more in your area.
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Post Sun. Jan. 20, 2008 2:20 pm

I'm not sure what Bob is charging for anthracite in Nappanee In. probably around $230-250/ton or so... a deal as far as it is from the mines..

Bit may work in the camp, but I wouldn't burn it in my home in a suburban setting... Unless you really have your 'firecraft' finely tuned and honed...

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Post Sun. Jan. 20, 2008 4:01 pm

Thanks for the tips, you guys. I was a little skittish about burning Bit here in the 'burbs. I'm an independent minded sort of guy, which is why I started looking for alternatives to NG to heat my home. So far I have been flyng under the radar wrt the preparations that I am doing in case bad times come (read: beans and bullets), but a big old cloud of Bit soot wafting out of my chimney would only annoy my "normal" "asleep at the wheel" neighbors. Long story short, it's Bit for the deer camp, and a trip to Napanee for the home supply. Now, if I can just find a deal on a stove...

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Post Mon. Jan. 21, 2008 10:43 pm

cost is all related to shipping with fuel prices so high. just bought anthracite today in ohio.
anthracite nut or rice is $220 per ton you pick up.
bituminous large lump=$95/ton,Egg=$91/ton,nut=$87/ton
mine run (take it as is mix/match/dirt etc) $63/ton

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Post Tue. Jan. 29, 2008 1:33 pm

LOOKING COAL IN CHICAGO? COAL IS NOT DEAD...

GREUNE COAL CO
7435 S Union Ave
Chicago, IL 60621
(773) 846-4000

I JUST GOT A PRICE QUOTE YESTERDAY: "GOLF BALL" (HE DIDN'T CALL IT STOVE OR NUT) SIZED ANTHRACITE $280/TON PICKED UP. ALSO 80LB-100LB PLASTIC BAGS FOR $25 PICKED UP. DELIVERY WILL COST YOU MORE. LEAVE SOME FOR ME!

HE IS OUT OF BITUMINOUS RIGHT NOW, BUT WILL ORDER MORE IF YOU CAN WAIT.

THIS IS A ONE MAN SHOW - HE SELLS AND DELIVERS HEATING OIL TOO - SO CALL FIRST AND GET AN APPOINTMENT.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST FINE.

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Post Tue. Feb. 12, 2008 10:59 pm

Duengeon master wrote:Burning a mixture of bituminous mixed with anthracite is similar to burning strait bituminous. If you are buying bit. for 8.00 bag that is way too expensive!!!! :( Especialy if it is more expensive than anthracite. Anthracite is a better quality coal with more uniform burn. I like to mix them because Bit. is so cheap. but only if I have time to watch it.There is a much higher ash content to bit so it will fill your ash pan faster. also burn times on a load will be less reqiring more attention than anthracite. However there is much less bridging with a mixtuere than with bituminous. :) Definitely use anthracite unless you like to play around 8-) :P :yes:
Just wanted to comment on the difference in BTU content of Anthracite vs Bituminous, 25M BTU/ton vs 18M BTU/ton respectively; 38% difference. Anthracite is cleaner, hotter and you use less.

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Post Wed. Feb. 13, 2008 12:40 am

12,500-13,500 btu/lb compared to 11,500-12,000 btu/lb for illinois bituminous. the difference is not as great as you have stated.
Burning western Pennsylvania Bituminous in WNY using model 77 stoker furnace. BITUMINOUS equiptment: 2 hand fired stoves of my own design, Many Combustioneer Model 77 stokers, stokermatic furnace, Many Will-Burt stokers, & and Two Iron firemen.


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