Crouzet Millenium 3 Programmable Logic Controllers?

Stoker Coal Boilers automatically feed the coal and have controls and pumps just like any conventions boiler. They are intended to be used as a primary heat and often have domestic hot water coils as an added bonus. They can be set up independently or in dual sytem with your existing oil/gas boiler. They can accommodate both hot water base board or steam plumbing.
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daluds
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: EMF
Stove/Furnace Model: DF-520

Post Mon. Sep. 15, 2008 8:59 pm

Anyone consider upgrading the controls for the DF520 with a PLC? The Crouzet's Millenium 3 Programmable Logic Controller looks nice. This might be a good substitute at least for the timer. :-)

Dave

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000 Sold
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Post Mon. Sep. 15, 2008 9:29 pm

The M3, is a good little PLC, and could be made to control an EFM or any other boiler, its just a matter of writing the software for the particular boiler, and then test, test and test some more. You also need an analog temperature sensor for the PLC to read the actual boiler water temperature.

I've done it for my Harman VF3K, but I would not assume that what works for a bed type stoker would automatically work for the EFM. Could it be made to work, sure, how much coal would it save?, hard for me to say since I've never seen an EFM in person. If temps tend to overshoot the setpoint by quite a bit then it might be a good candidate for some electronics.

The contacts on the M3 are rated at 8 amps and might be a little light for the stoker motor on this boiler also.

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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520, 700, Van Wert 800 GJ 61,53
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Post Mon. Sep. 15, 2008 10:31 pm

Stoker motor on this stoker is around 2.5 amps. I think. :) Scott
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daluds
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
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Post Tue. Sep. 16, 2008 6:08 pm

Highlander,

Do you have any recommendations for an analog temperature sensor that can be used in a well for the EFM?

Thanks,

Dave

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000 Sold
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Coal Size/Type: Nut
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Stove/Furnace Model: VF3000 Stoker Boiler
Location: Highland Lakes NJ
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Post Wed. Sep. 17, 2008 9:48 pm

Dave

The sensor that I use, is also from Crouzet, its a 89750153 part #, here is a link http://www.crouzet-usa.com/catalog/_tempm2.shtml
I could not find them online, Newark Electroncis shows the wrong part when you put this number in.

What you want is a temperature transmitter that will give you a variable signal between 0 and 10V. Most industrial controls are 4-20 ma, or current loop, since that is more noise resistant in industrial environments. Current loop sensors can be converted to voltage by putting a resistor across the input, usually around 500 ohms.

Ebay is a good place to look, there are lots of used industrial electronics there.

Another option would be to use the Johnson controls analog controller, A350PS-2C, which is similar to the control that ships with the Harman VF3K boiler, the difference being that its output is a variable voltage as opposed to a contact closure. Both these sensors are in the $100+ price range.

Hope this helps

Bill A.

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