Restored 1959 Axeman 130

 
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Post by StokerDon » Tue. Jan. 03, 2023 7:47 am

Jkohanski wrote:
Mon. Jan. 02, 2023 9:18 pm
I have seen chain do that when a new chain is put on old sprockets. From wear the pitch is off just enough to cause chain not to fit, especially on small sprockets with large pitch chain.
I guess that is a good possibility. The back sprocket on the jack shaft must be worn, the chain never did want to ride onto it easily. I thought the idler would keep it from binding up, but it didn't.
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The chain is new and the sprockets are old. When I get a chance to take it apart I'll replace that sprocket and check for ware on the others.

-Don


 
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Post by Idlorah » Tue. Jan. 03, 2023 3:14 pm

Don, If you need new sprockets PM me.

 
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Post by Retro_Origin » Tue. Jan. 03, 2023 7:46 pm

Jkohanski wrote:
Mon. Jan. 02, 2023 9:18 pm
I have seen chain do that when a new chain is put on old sprockets. From wear the pitch is off just enough to cause chain not to fit, especially on small sprockets with large pitch chain.
I can see an OLD change getting stretched and not wanting to ride on a new sprocket but even if the sprocket was old/worn wouldn't that just give more slack and more area to improper pitch to survive? I'm not sure I understand your observation, are you saying the pitch gets messed up on the sprocket?

 
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Post by Rob R. » Tue. Jan. 03, 2023 9:02 pm

ASea wrote:
Sat. Dec. 24, 2022 5:51 pm
Hey Don, whats the coal consumption like in a 24hr period? Or whatever your metric is to heat your place? Are you doing hot water as well? I know the Chubby uses 40lbs+ in 24hrs.
StokerDon wrote:
Sun. Dec. 25, 2022 8:37 am
Well, to start, there is no reason to try to compare a room heater like the good 'Ol Chubby to a central heating system. Your heating a lot more with a central heating system like an Axeman, AHS, EFM, Van Wert, ect... so you will use more coal.
I am with Don on this one; it is pretty hard to compare the two systems. The Chubby stove heats the space it is in, and doesn't react if the rooms far away get cold, or if the wind picks up when no one is home and the house cools by a few degrees. I can't speak for Don's house, but I know what mine is like with the Chubby Jr perking along vs. having the EFM online. Basically it is like running the house on a small generator vs. having grid power via 200 amp service.

 
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Post by BunkerdCaddis » Tue. Jan. 03, 2023 9:34 pm

Rob R. wrote:
Tue. Jan. 03, 2023 9:02 pm
I am with Don on this one; it is pretty hard to compare the two systems. The Chubby stove heats the space it is in, and doesn't react if the rooms far away get cold, or if the wind picks up when no one is home and the house cools by a few degrees. I can't speak for Don's house, but I know what mine is like with the Chubby Jr perking along vs. having the EFM online. Basically it is like running the house on a small generator vs. having grid power via 200 amp service.
I'm seeing that exact scenario play in just the few weeks I've had the boilers online, when the cold weather hit consumption went up, the house stayed warm all around, then when the weather let up it's like someone put the brakes on. I still don't have the hang of all of it but I like where I'm at so far.

 
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Post by Jkohanski » Wed. Jan. 04, 2023 2:38 pm

Retro_Origin wrote:
Tue. Jan. 03, 2023 7:46 pm
I can see an OLD change getting stretched and not wanting to ride on a new sprocket but even if the sprocket was old/worn wouldn't that just give more slack and more area to improper pitch to survive? I'm not sure I understand your observation, are you saying the pitch gets messed up on the sprocket?
When a chain wears the pin to pin distance gets longer and it only pulls on the first few teeth, this is extremely hard on the sprockets. When a sprocket wears the tooth spacing stays the same from point to point, but the tooth profile is changed so only the tip is engaging. If the point of the teeth start to pull over or are cupped enough the chain starts catching.

 
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Post by Retro_Origin » Wed. Jan. 04, 2023 6:19 pm

I think I get it now, like I’m picking up what your putting down, that is, smellin what your steppin in.


 
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Post by Jkohanski » Wed. Jan. 04, 2023 9:52 pm

Retro_Origin wrote:
Wed. Jan. 04, 2023 6:19 pm
I think I get it now, like I’m picking up what your putting down, that is, smellin what your steppin in.
Heres a good article which explains it better then i can.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chain-wear.html

 
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Post by StokerDon » Sat. Jan. 07, 2023 8:52 pm

7 more days...
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Over the past 7 days;
Fan reading, 2794.5 - 2750.3 = 44.2 hours of fan run time, 6.32 hours per day.
Ash reading, 1608.6 - 1580.0 = 28.6 hours of ashing, 4.1 hours per day, 65% of fan run time.
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2 very light ashpans.
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And one Monster Clinker!
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That Gofer is taking a big bite out of the middle of the bin.
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Time to take out another slat.
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The old Axeman ashing system is still going strong.
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Current settings,

Fan RPM = 1635 RPM (Stock AHS is 1725 RPM)
Auger speed = 4.31 RPM (Stock is 8.05 RPM)
Grate cycles per hour = 10.35-ish
Aquastat = 175*F (Inkbird), ON/OFF, Hysteresis = 5*
Anthrastat = 130*F (Inkbird), Hysteresis = 0.3*
Low flue temperature cut off = 160*F, Hysteresis = 0.1*

-Don

 
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sat. Jan. 14, 2023 5:49 pm

Another 7 days goes by...
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Over the past 7 days;
Fan reading, 2842.6 - 2794.5 = 48.1 hours of fan run time, 6.87 hours per day.
Ash reading, 1635.0 - 1608.6 = 26.4 hours of ashing, 3.77 hours per day, 55% of fan run time.
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2 ashpans. 1 only 1/4 full, the other 2/3 full.
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Gofer action!
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A cold and windy Saturday. A good day to fire up the 'Ol Harman!!!
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I lit it with junk cardboard, charcoal and some Bit coal!
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Because of the Bit coal I had to dial in a lot of overfire air.
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Nice and toasty in here now! Maybe a little too toasty. :what:
Current settings,

Fan RPM = 1635 RPM (Stock AHS is 1725 RPM)
Auger speed = 4.31 RPM (Stock is 8.05 RPM)
Grate cycles per hour = 10.35-ish
Aquastat = 175*F (Inkbird), ON/OFF, Hysteresis = 5*
Anthrastat = 130*F (Inkbird), Hysteresis = 0.3*
Low flue temperature cut off = 160*F, Hysteresis = 0.1*

-Don

 
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Post by StokerDon » Sat. Jan. 21, 2023 7:24 pm

7 more days. It hasn't been very cold, but not exactly warm either.
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Over the past 7 days;
Fan reading, 2886.5 - 2842.6 = 43.9 hours of fan run time, 6.27 hours per day.
Ash reading, 1661.9 - 1635.0 = 26.9 hours of ashing, 3.84 hours per day, 61% of fan run time.
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Ash.
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Gofer.
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Happy looking Black Rocks. :o
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Current settings,

Fan RPM = 1635 RPM (Stock AHS is 1725 RPM)
Auger speed = 4.31 RPM (Stock is 8.05 RPM)
Grate cycles per hour = 10.35-ish (2 teeth on the ashing gear)
Aquastat = 175*F (Inkbird), ON/OFF, Hysteresis = 5*
Anthrastat = 130*F (Inkbird), Hysteresis = 0.3*
Low flue temperature cut off = 160*F, Hysteresis = 0.1*

-Don

 
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sat. Jan. 28, 2023 5:55 pm

Another 7 days. Still waiting for Winter to show up.
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Over the past 7 days;
Fan reading, 2935.6 - 2886.5 = 49.1 hours of fan run time, 7.01 hours per day.
Ash reading, 1689.7 - 1661.9 = 27.8 hours of ashing, 3.97 hours per day, 57% of fan run time.
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Ash.
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I can't tell what that Gofer is do'in in there.
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Current settings,

Fan RPM = 1635 RPM (Stock AHS is 1725 RPM)
Auger speed = 4.31 RPM (Stock is 8.05 RPM)
Grate cycles per hour = 10.35-ish (2 teeth on the ashing gear)
Aquastat = 175*F (Inkbird), ON/OFF, Hysteresis = 5*
Anthrastat = 130*F (Inkbird), Hysteresis = 0.3*
Low flue temperature cut off = 160*F, Hysteresis = 0.1*

-Don

 
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sun. Feb. 05, 2023 8:54 am

Well, Winter showed up for a couple days. Its gonna be in the 50's today though. Mid 40's most of the coming week.
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Over the past 7 days;
Fan reading, 2983.9 - 2935.6 = 48.3 hours of fan run time, 6.90 hours per day.
Ash reading, 1716.4 - 1689.7 = 26.7 hours of ashing, 3.81 hours per day, 55% of fan run time.
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Ash.
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That Gopher is dug down pretty far in there. I had to stand on a stool to take the pic.
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A couple weeks ago I found the top to the chimney cap laying in the driveway. I use the black, stainless ones from the local hardware store. They seem to come apart every 2 or 3 years. I don't think this one is even 2 years old.
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Current settings,

Fan RPM = 1635 RPM (Stock AHS is 1725 RPM)
Auger speed = 4.31 RPM (Stock is 8.05 RPM)
Grate cycles per hour = 10.35-ish (2 teeth on the ashing gear)
Aquastat = 175*F (Inkbird), ON/OFF, Hysteresis = 5*
Anthrastat = 130*F (Inkbird), Hysteresis = 0.3*
Low flue temperature cut off = 160*F, Hysteresis = 0.1*

-Don

 
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Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season

Post by Idlorah » Mon. Feb. 06, 2023 2:33 pm

I build my own caps for my masonry chimneys out of angle iron and expanded steel mesh with a stainless domed top part. Wonder how long I can expect them to last. Would building/ welding on a new top fix yours? Wonder if you could build something better then what you can buy?

 
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sat. Feb. 11, 2023 6:09 pm

Idlorah wrote:
Mon. Feb. 06, 2023 2:33 pm
I build my own caps for my masonry chimneys out of angle iron and expanded steel mesh with a stainless domed top part. Wonder how long I can expect them to last. Would building/ welding on a new top fix yours? Wonder if you could build something better then what you can buy?
It's a Selkirk chimney. I have a 6" one out of the basement. I bought the whole chimney used with the cap many years ago. It's been up for about 8 years now and the cap still looks good. I guess if I really wanted to solve this problem, I could just buy the correct cap. :oops:

7 more days od pretty warm weather...
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Over the past 7 days;
Fan reading, 3025.8 - 2983.9 = 41.9 hours of fan run time, 5.99 hours per day.
Ash reading, 1743.0 - 1716.4 = 26.6 hours of ashing, 3.80 hours per day, 63% of fan run time.
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Ash.
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Gopher action.
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Current settings,

Fan RPM = 1635 RPM (Stock AHS is 1725 RPM)
Auger speed = 4.31 RPM (Stock is 8.05 RPM)
Grate cycles per hour = 10.35-ish (2 teeth on the ashing gear)
Aquastat = 175*F (Inkbird), ON/OFF, Hysteresis = 5*
Anthrastat = 130*F (Inkbird), Hysteresis = 0.3*
Low flue temperature cut off = 160*F, Hysteresis = 0.1*

-Don


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