Looking for information on my Allen stoker

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Idlorah
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Post by Idlorah » Wed. Nov. 18, 2020 7:50 pm

Hi guys, I'm new to coal and my house came with an allen stoker under pot fed coal boiler. I'm looking to broaden my knowledge and understanding of this unit. Thank you.
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Post by McGiever » Thu. Nov. 19, 2020 10:13 am

If anyone would know it would be Matt DiRenzo 570-640-9156

He had a collection of used parts for Allen’s and many others.

 
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Post by lincolnmania » Thu. Nov. 19, 2020 10:49 am

member scrapper23jr might have parts and information too.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
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Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season

Post by Idlorah » Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 5:28 pm

The previous owner did give me Matt's info. I'm having issues with smoke in the coal bin I just had the stoker all apart and cleaned all the fines our from under the grates and the screen above the coal tube. Was good for 3 days now I'm having smoke from the bin and CO trouble again. Reaches around 35-40 ppm

 
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
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Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season

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Post by StokerDon » Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 6:02 pm

Check to see if the auger pipe is getting hot. Also, you should have a manometer to check the over fire draft. It should be -0.01 or more on the negative side.

Most likely what is happening is the fire box is becoming pressurized and combustion gas is exiting through the auger pipe. I would reduce the combustion air until it gets better.

-Don

 
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Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season

Post by Idlorah » Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 7:17 pm

StokerDon wrote:
Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 6:02 pm
Check to see if the auger pipe is getting hot. Also, you should have a manometer to check the over fire draft. It should be -0.01 or more on the negative side.

Most likely what is happening is the fire box is becoming pressurized and combustion gas is exiting through the auger pipe. I would reduce the combustion air until it gets better.

-Don
The auger pipe is warm at the joint to the bin part of the pipe about 6in past the outside of the boiler. I have recently cleaned the flue and stoker. My stoker has a gauge on the top of it (see above pics) I believe this is for draft? It sits at about .5 all the time.


 
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Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season

Post by Idlorah » Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 7:18 pm

Combustion air is only open about 3/4 of and inch running 3 tooth feed. Air is controlled by the door on the side of the blower.

 
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Post by StokerDon » Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 7:40 pm

Idlorah wrote:
Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 7:18 pm
Combustion air is only open about 3/4 of and inch running 3 tooth feed. Air is controlled by the door on the side of the blower.
I took a look at the picture and your right, that could be a draft gauge. It has negative reading, zero, then positive readings. I have never seen one mounted on the front of a boiler from the factory. Neat!

That being said, if it is in fact a draft gauge, it is reading positive. That is a problem, reduce the combustion air until it reads less than zero (negative). This will also tell you if it is in fact a draft gauge.

-Don

 
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Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season

Post by Idlorah » Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 8:49 pm

I'll try that. The fire isnt roaring or anything I feel that of I back the air down any more I may put it out. I'll try to get a close up picture of the gauge and air setup tomorrow I'm at work at the moment. I was getting CO earlier today when the outside temp was about 50 now that it has cooled off the girlfriend told me the smoke had stopped.

 
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Post by Dave 1234 » Wed. Nov. 25, 2020 7:28 am

are you burning rice or buck size coal ?

 
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Post by gaw » Wed. Nov. 25, 2020 8:51 am

StokerDon wrote:
Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 7:40 pm
I took a look at the picture and your right, that could be a draft gauge. It has negative reading, zero, then positive readings. I have never seen one mounted on the front of a boiler from the factory. Neat!

That being said, if it is in fact a draft gauge, it is reading positive. That is a problem, reduce the combustion air until it reads less than zero (negative). This will also tell you if it is in fact a draft gauge.

-Don
I see that too. A close up of that gauge would be nice. What other gauge would read + and - of zero? It just seems odd that they would incorporate a draft gauge into the design of the boiler and yet I see the hole in the door that is used to check over fire draft.

 
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Post by Pacowy » Wed. Nov. 25, 2020 9:28 am

Smoke, CO, etc. can also result from factors like insufficient make-up air and having the fire burning too low in the pot. Is there a window cracked open or other direct source of air for the boiler? Is the ring of ash around the fire more than 2" wide after a long burn?

Mike

 
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Gibralter MCC
Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season

Post by Idlorah » Wed. Nov. 25, 2020 4:43 pm

Dave 1234 wrote:
Wed. Nov. 25, 2020 7:28 am
are you burning rice or buck size coal ?
Buck

 
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Gibralter MCC
Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season

Post by Idlorah » Wed. Nov. 25, 2020 4:46 pm

Pacowy wrote:
Wed. Nov. 25, 2020 9:28 am
Smoke, CO, etc. can also result from factors like insufficient make-up air and having the fire burning too low in the pot. Is there a window cracked open or other direct source of air for the boiler? Is the ring of ash around the fire more than 2" wide after a long burn?

Mike
no direct source of air to boiler is in the basement but it is a 120 year old house and it not tight enough for the boiler to starve of air. i have not had the smoke in the bin or the CO issue since the temperature dropped back down to the 40s


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