Looking for information on my Allen stoker
- Idlorah
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
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- Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
- Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season
Hi guys, I'm new to coal and my house came with an allen stoker under pot fed coal boiler. I'm looking to broaden my knowledge and understanding of this unit. Thank you.
- McGiever
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If anyone would know it would be Matt DiRenzo 570-640-9156
He had a collection of used parts for Allen’s and many others.
He had a collection of used parts for Allen’s and many others.
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member scrapper23jr might have parts and information too.
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- Idlorah
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- Location: New Ringgold, PA
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Gibralter MCC
- Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
- Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season
The previous owner did give me Matt's info. I'm having issues with smoke in the coal bin I just had the stoker all apart and cleaned all the fines our from under the grates and the screen above the coal tube. Was good for 3 days now I'm having smoke from the bin and CO trouble again. Reaches around 35-40 ppm
- Idlorah
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- Location: New Ringgold, PA
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Gibralter MCC
- Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
- Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season
- StokerDon
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Check to see if the auger pipe is getting hot. Also, you should have a manometer to check the over fire draft. It should be -0.01 or more on the negative side.
Most likely what is happening is the fire box is becoming pressurized and combustion gas is exiting through the auger pipe. I would reduce the combustion air until it gets better.
-Don
Most likely what is happening is the fire box is becoming pressurized and combustion gas is exiting through the auger pipe. I would reduce the combustion air until it gets better.
-Don
- Idlorah
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- Location: New Ringgold, PA
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Gibralter MCC
- Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
- Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season
The auger pipe is warm at the joint to the bin part of the pipe about 6in past the outside of the boiler. I have recently cleaned the flue and stoker. My stoker has a gauge on the top of it (see above pics) I believe this is for draft? It sits at about .5 all the time.StokerDon wrote: ↑Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 6:02 pmCheck to see if the auger pipe is getting hot. Also, you should have a manometer to check the over fire draft. It should be -0.01 or more on the negative side.
Most likely what is happening is the fire box is becoming pressurized and combustion gas is exiting through the auger pipe. I would reduce the combustion air until it gets better.
-Don
- Idlorah
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- Location: New Ringgold, PA
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Gibralter MCC
- Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
- Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season
Combustion air is only open about 3/4 of and inch running 3 tooth feed. Air is controlled by the door on the side of the blower.
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
I took a look at the picture and your right, that could be a draft gauge. It has negative reading, zero, then positive readings. I have never seen one mounted on the front of a boiler from the factory. Neat!
That being said, if it is in fact a draft gauge, it is reading positive. That is a problem, reduce the combustion air until it reads less than zero (negative). This will also tell you if it is in fact a draft gauge.
-Don
- Idlorah
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- Location: New Ringgold, PA
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Gibralter MCC
- Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
- Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season
I'll try that. The fire isnt roaring or anything I feel that of I back the air down any more I may put it out. I'll try to get a close up picture of the gauge and air setup tomorrow I'm at work at the moment. I was getting CO earlier today when the outside temp was about 50 now that it has cooled off the girlfriend told me the smoke had stopped.
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I see that too. A close up of that gauge would be nice. What other gauge would read + and - of zero? It just seems odd that they would incorporate a draft gauge into the design of the boiler and yet I see the hole in the door that is used to check over fire draft.StokerDon wrote: ↑Tue. Nov. 24, 2020 7:40 pmI took a look at the picture and your right, that could be a draft gauge. It has negative reading, zero, then positive readings. I have never seen one mounted on the front of a boiler from the factory. Neat!
That being said, if it is in fact a draft gauge, it is reading positive. That is a problem, reduce the combustion air until it reads less than zero (negative). This will also tell you if it is in fact a draft gauge.
-Don
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Smoke, CO, etc. can also result from factors like insufficient make-up air and having the fire burning too low in the pot. Is there a window cracked open or other direct source of air for the boiler? Is the ring of ash around the fire more than 2" wide after a long burn?
Mike
Mike
- Idlorah
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- Location: New Ringgold, PA
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Gibralter MCC
- Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
- Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season
- Idlorah
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- Posts: 520
- Joined: Wed. Nov. 18, 2020 6:31 pm
- Location: New Ringgold, PA
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Allen 700 stoker
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Gibralter MCC
- Coal Size/Type: Buck in the Allen and anything goes in the MCC, Anthracite
- Other Heating: None, maybe some wood in the MCC in the shoulder season
no direct source of air to boiler is in the basement but it is a 120 year old house and it not tight enough for the boiler to starve of air. i have not had the smoke in the bin or the CO issue since the temperature dropped back down to the 40sPacowy wrote: ↑Wed. Nov. 25, 2020 9:28 amSmoke, CO, etc. can also result from factors like insufficient make-up air and having the fire burning too low in the pot. Is there a window cracked open or other direct source of air for the boiler? Is the ring of ash around the fire more than 2" wide after a long burn?
Mike