Pros and cons of having a remote boiler install
- Canaan coal man
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So another ongoing thought. I’m leaning to a efm for an coal boiler hopefully within the year. With My never ending house projects I will need to install outside basement access (bilco doors) to get any new boiler in the basement.
I’m looking at 4000-6000 to get the access put in. If I run a coal boiler in series with my oil boiler, someday I will have to install a new oil boiler. Not sure what that will cost 4000-5000$
I can get a prefab shed much cheaper than the access installation cost and install the boiler inside the shed.
Only down side I can see (other than cost of new parts for install and pex, is the radiant heat loss of boiler won’t be heating my basement and Also if I loose power I will have to run no burst in my loop that feeds the house so I can’t freeze the unit or pipes.
I also have a nice tool shead 16x16 with a poored floor power and water power, but it’s 100’ away from the house.
It will need curtain drains a roof and insulation but it’s there ready to go.
Idk just throwing out ideas.
I’m looking at 4000-6000 to get the access put in. If I run a coal boiler in series with my oil boiler, someday I will have to install a new oil boiler. Not sure what that will cost 4000-5000$
I can get a prefab shed much cheaper than the access installation cost and install the boiler inside the shed.
Only down side I can see (other than cost of new parts for install and pex, is the radiant heat loss of boiler won’t be heating my basement and Also if I loose power I will have to run no burst in my loop that feeds the house so I can’t freeze the unit or pipes.
I also have a nice tool shead 16x16 with a poored floor power and water power, but it’s 100’ away from the house.
It will need curtain drains a roof and insulation but it’s there ready to go.
Idk just throwing out ideas.
- hotblast1357
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Mine is in a 14x16 building 80’ from the house, bin is inside.
Wouldn’t have it any other way.
Wouldn’t have it any other way.
- Canaan coal man
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Putting a duel fuel 520 unit will save me cost of a new oil boiler down the road but I will have to install entry way.
A remote install will cost? Plus the shed referb 2000$ and the price of a new oil boiler down the road for the house?
All this cost added up may be over the cost of basement access at 4000-6000
A remote install will cost? Plus the shed referb 2000$ and the price of a new oil boiler down the road for the house?
All this cost added up may be over the cost of basement access at 4000-6000
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CCM,
My buddy did a duel [2] EFM's , remote install about a year and a half ago. It worked out well for his situation.
His is in Eastern Ct. and he would be happy to have you check it out if that would help you decide .
PM me if you want to go on a field-trip.
Dave
My buddy did a duel [2] EFM's , remote install about a year and a half ago. It worked out well for his situation.
His is in Eastern Ct. and he would be happy to have you check it out if that would help you decide .
PM me if you want to go on a field-trip.
Dave
- lsayre
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Cons:
Coal boilers shed a whole lot of heat. If they are inside the house this heat is not wasted. Outside, it is wasted.
The underground run often loses a lot of heat. And since it runs continuously, it loses it continuously.
Pros:
Coal dust does not enter the house.
Your wife will thank you. (vs. my wife nearly divorcing me when I told her I was going to install a coal boiler in the basement)
Coal boilers shed a whole lot of heat. If they are inside the house this heat is not wasted. Outside, it is wasted.
The underground run often loses a lot of heat. And since it runs continuously, it loses it continuously.
Pros:
Coal dust does not enter the house.
Your wife will thank you. (vs. my wife nearly divorcing me when I told her I was going to install a coal boiler in the basement)
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My efm520 is in my detached garage about 80 ft from my house. Garage has full basement. Boiler and adjoining coal bin are in that basement. Manhole frame in concrete floor gets the coal into the bin 8 ton +-.
All of the coal and ash dirt stays out there. I do get the residual heat for my garage, but I really can't tell how many btu's I loose to the pipe trench. It was installed 4' deep and insulated with beadboard ( which I'm sure is long gone) I don't run it continually, three zones in house and boiler runs on demand. All I know is do not have ahold of the 1 1/2" copper pipe entering the house on a call for heat, your hand will get very hot very fast. I figured once the soil gets heated up initially in the fall the lost btu's were not that significant. Today you would install in a well insulated jacketed pipe
All of the coal and ash dirt stays out there. I do get the residual heat for my garage, but I really can't tell how many btu's I loose to the pipe trench. It was installed 4' deep and insulated with beadboard ( which I'm sure is long gone) I don't run it continually, three zones in house and boiler runs on demand. All I know is do not have ahold of the 1 1/2" copper pipe entering the house on a call for heat, your hand will get very hot very fast. I figured once the soil gets heated up initially in the fall the lost btu's were not that significant. Today you would install in a well insulated jacketed pipe
- Canaan coal man
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For my situation with quick farmer math in my head cost would be Almost the same between the 2 systems. If I get a boiler in the basement the coal savings alone say if it’s a ton a year that’s 200$ a year there is a deffinet payback. The cost of basement access will be recouped with fuel savings extra parts and maintenance on the out building.
Coal dust won’t be a problem all the mess will stay in the basement.
Coal dust won’t be a problem all the mess will stay in the basement.
- Canaan coal man
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What was your rough setup cost other than boiler?hotblast1357 wrote: ↑Thu. Jan. 24, 2019 12:58 pmMine is in a 14x16 building 80’ from the house, bin is inside.
Wouldn’t have it any other way.
- lsayre
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The township I live in does not permit the installation of outdoor boilers. Townships surrounding me are loaded with them.
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CCM,
Do you have a boiler now?
** Nevemind I re read your post.
Do you have a boiler now?
** Nevemind I re read your post.
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Slogging through a couple of feet of snow in a blizzard to see what's wrong ain't happening here. Never mind the extra costs. A boiler belongs in the basement.
Can just a thought for the Bilco .One get the concrete basement wall cut .Then get a price for the footer an block work that supports the Bilco door .If you are Handy pour the footer an fasten the Bilco door to top of block work. .Your costs Cutting the opening from Bilco to cellar an the blockwork .Jack a mason
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When it comes to the question of remote coal boiler installs, I look at it this way. If you were having an oil boiler installed and the contractor told you, "We're gonna put the boiler out in this shed. Then we're gonna dig a trench to lay insulated pipe to the house" you would chase him off your property with a tire iron.
A coal boiler is no different.
-Don
A coal boiler is no different.
-Don
- hotblast1357
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Well I built the building and installed the block chimney also, it cost me around 2,000. I also used rough cut lumber from our saw mill.Canaan coal man wrote: ↑Thu. Jan. 24, 2019 5:20 pmWhat was your rough setup cost other than boiler?
I also have a 100 amp service out there for the future garage so that was a little extra.
I go out there every 4-7 days to empty my ash pan. My hopper is auger fed so I don’t touch the coal.
Don’t forget you have to lug that ash up out of your basement every time.
People say you waste heat, but I would dare say Im on the bottom end of consumption compared to others here and its with a outside unit, and I’m in one of the coldest places.
Also I have mine in a building because it will be part of my garage when it’s built, and I don’t like the house over heating on sunny and or warm days, and I don’t want the dust and mess in the basement.
To each is his own.
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- hotblast1357
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I am sure this is only to outdoor wood boilers that stand by themselves outside, these boilers we have are not outdoors, there in buildings.