can of worms,,, but i got to ask this question
- BodyshopPat
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I value the opinions of the members of this forum... I ventured into this boiler scene from warm air to buying a used new Yorker wc130 using bit coal to actually trying some anthracite in bagged form. I love that anthracite and with the wc 130 up for sale, I plan to buy a stoker boiler. my needs are 4000 to 5000 ft of well insulated dwelling with radiant and water to air coils. I have bought up about 2 years supply of rice bagged from Lowes at a decent price and I plan on buying a bulk load next year. Now, what to buy,?,, whats out there that will work for me? AA 220 , coal gun, efm , keystoker, ect,, I cant find a lot of write ups on the AA 220 but someone posted a picture of the firebox and it was a work of art,, not much info on their site at ll. Help!!!!!!!!!!!! I am all ears, I want to make a good choice, I need about 200 k btu unit, since my 130 is a little small for my needs, it was a test platform for me anyway, its up for sale now. still in operation too.
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The old debate over Chevy, Ford or Ram...
EXCEPT: Be aware of over and under stated horsepower ratings with these rigs..
EXCEPT: Be aware of over and under stated horsepower ratings with these rigs..
- StokerDon
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You need to be a little careful when reading New vs. Old stoker boiler specs there B.P.
If you have a good idea that your heating load is around 200,000 BTUH and you are looking at a newly designed coal stoker boiler, they typically do not have all the reserve heating capacity of an old school coal stoker boiler.
Lets quickly look at 2 examples.
LL AA220 - The "220" means the BUTH input to the boiler is 220,000 BTU. Theoretically that is about 18 pounds per hour. Using 12,000 BTUH per pound of Anthracite = 216,000BTU. Compensating for 10% junk in the coal gives you 194,400BTU. Assuming 80% boiler efficiency gives us grand total of 155,520 BTUH as a maximum available from the boiler under ideal conditions.
EFM 520 - Rated at about 150,000 BUTH. Input to the boiler at 8 teeth on Rice coal is theoretically about 20 pounds per hour. Using 12,000 BTUH per pound of Anthracite = 240,000BTU. Compensating for 10% junk in the coal gives you 216,000BTU. Assuming 80% boiler efficiency gives us grand total of 172,800 BTUH as a maximum available from the boiler under ideal conditions.
So as you can see, on paper;
The New AA220 rated at 220,000BTUH can only be expected to deliver a maximum of 155,520BTUH to you heating load.
The Old EFM rated at 150,000BTUH can be expected to deliver 172.800BTUH to your heating load.
I am not a heating professional and the above advice is given to help you understand the process of boiler selection as I understand it.
-Don
If you have a good idea that your heating load is around 200,000 BTUH and you are looking at a newly designed coal stoker boiler, they typically do not have all the reserve heating capacity of an old school coal stoker boiler.
Lets quickly look at 2 examples.
LL AA220 - The "220" means the BUTH input to the boiler is 220,000 BTU. Theoretically that is about 18 pounds per hour. Using 12,000 BTUH per pound of Anthracite = 216,000BTU. Compensating for 10% junk in the coal gives you 194,400BTU. Assuming 80% boiler efficiency gives us grand total of 155,520 BTUH as a maximum available from the boiler under ideal conditions.
EFM 520 - Rated at about 150,000 BUTH. Input to the boiler at 8 teeth on Rice coal is theoretically about 20 pounds per hour. Using 12,000 BTUH per pound of Anthracite = 240,000BTU. Compensating for 10% junk in the coal gives you 216,000BTU. Assuming 80% boiler efficiency gives us grand total of 172,800 BTUH as a maximum available from the boiler under ideal conditions.
So as you can see, on paper;
The New AA220 rated at 220,000BTUH can only be expected to deliver a maximum of 155,520BTUH to you heating load.
The Old EFM rated at 150,000BTUH can be expected to deliver 172.800BTUH to your heating load.
I am not a heating professional and the above advice is given to help you understand the process of boiler selection as I understand it.
-Don
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First step is a HeatLoad calculation. Here is one site: http://www.heatload.com/
I suggest doing one room at a time and recording those values, then put it all together on a blueprint/layout of your place.
I used that to work out the amount of radiation I needed to deliver in each room. It's also a great way to identify which areas need "attention" (ie insulation, windows, etc).
Then you can confidently shop by BTU output
I suggest doing one room at a time and recording those values, then put it all together on a blueprint/layout of your place.
I used that to work out the amount of radiation I needed to deliver in each room. It's also a great way to identify which areas need "attention" (ie insulation, windows, etc).
Then you can confidently shop by BTU output