Axeman Anderson 1959 130M
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Well, we had another outfire on Monday. I forced the pump on 24/7 and it has been running fine ever since.
Over the past 7 days;
Fan reading, 1170.4 - 1136.9 = 33.5 hours of fan run time, 4.79 hours per day.
Ash reading, 660.0 - 639.9 = 20.1 hours of ashing, 2.87 hours per day. I don't even want to talk about the ash. That's got to weigh 60 to 70 pounds! That's about it for this one.
For next heating season we are planning on running the refurbished and very modified 1956 Axeman 130. Should be pretty interesting.
-Don
That's the end of the Pea coal.
We're just gonna keep it running until the fire burns down to nothing.
Later this evening, it will be out. Tomorrow evening we'll fire up the Van Wert.Over the past 7 days;
Fan reading, 1170.4 - 1136.9 = 33.5 hours of fan run time, 4.79 hours per day.
Ash reading, 660.0 - 639.9 = 20.1 hours of ashing, 2.87 hours per day. I don't even want to talk about the ash. That's got to weigh 60 to 70 pounds! That's about it for this one.
For next heating season we are planning on running the refurbished and very modified 1956 Axeman 130. Should be pretty interesting.
-Don
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Time for an update.
I decided not to push foreword on the 1956 130M. Instead, for this year we are going to install the modifications on this 1959 130M.
Last Fall, one of our forum members was selling some Alternate Heating Systems (AHS) parts. After making a few basic measurements, we figured that with a little modification the AHS blower and ashing parts would fit an Axeman. Axeman fan and bearing box. AHS fan, bearing and motor assembly. The Axeman and AHS fans are slightly different. We will go into the details on this at a later date. We also got the AHS Direct Drive fan assembly seen on the right. AHS uses a smaller fan on the Direct Drive because they spin it at 3450 RPM. The belt driven fan spins much slower.
There are a couple advantages to running the AHS fan assembly.
1) The swirl chamber cleaning process will be much easier. Just remove 4 nuts and pull the whole fan/motor assembly out and you have clear access.
2) The AHS fan plate is insulated with a 1/2" ceramic insulator. This helps keep the heat in the boiler at the highest heat loss area of the boiler. This is one of the keys to good fuel mileage.
In Other News;
I got the call yesterday Morning that my coal delivery would be coming. I quickly ran out to the garage and constructed a slope on the right side of the coal been. I made it out of 3/4" plywood and 2x4 bracing. Last year, we moved the coal door up about 2.5 feet so now we can still get about 4.5 to 5 ton in this bin without having to do as much shoveling when the bin gets low. We also got 2.4 ton of Rice for the Van Wert in the basement. There yah go, all set for Winter!
Some video action. I should have got some video of them filling the garage bin with the Hi-Lift but time was short!
-Don
I decided not to push foreword on the 1956 130M. Instead, for this year we are going to install the modifications on this 1959 130M.
Last Fall, one of our forum members was selling some Alternate Heating Systems (AHS) parts. After making a few basic measurements, we figured that with a little modification the AHS blower and ashing parts would fit an Axeman. Axeman fan and bearing box. AHS fan, bearing and motor assembly. The Axeman and AHS fans are slightly different. We will go into the details on this at a later date. We also got the AHS Direct Drive fan assembly seen on the right. AHS uses a smaller fan on the Direct Drive because they spin it at 3450 RPM. The belt driven fan spins much slower.
There are a couple advantages to running the AHS fan assembly.
1) The swirl chamber cleaning process will be much easier. Just remove 4 nuts and pull the whole fan/motor assembly out and you have clear access.
2) The AHS fan plate is insulated with a 1/2" ceramic insulator. This helps keep the heat in the boiler at the highest heat loss area of the boiler. This is one of the keys to good fuel mileage.
In Other News;
I got the call yesterday Morning that my coal delivery would be coming. I quickly ran out to the garage and constructed a slope on the right side of the coal been. I made it out of 3/4" plywood and 2x4 bracing. Last year, we moved the coal door up about 2.5 feet so now we can still get about 4.5 to 5 ton in this bin without having to do as much shoveling when the bin gets low. We also got 2.4 ton of Rice for the Van Wert in the basement. There yah go, all set for Winter!
Some video action. I should have got some video of them filling the garage bin with the Hi-Lift but time was short!
-Don
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Nice Don, that's a happy feeling having coal in the bin!
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Yes it is!BunkerdCaddis wrote: ↑Thu. Sep. 09, 2021 11:00 amNice Don, that's a happy feeling having coal in the bin!
Two bins worth of Happiness!
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
OK, we still got the coal in the bin and the AHS parts. It's time to get this Axeman / AHS conversion Done!
I have some time off this week so were going to be working on some projects that are lagging behind. First thing to do was to measure up and trim some metal of the top of the AHS fan plate to clear the Axeman DHW coil. Once that was done I put the second part of the plate on to see if it would fit. These two plates create a sandwich and the 1/4" insulator goes in the middle. Not good. This plate is thin and only welded together in spots. If I trimmed it to fit it would be all flimsy. Next Idea!
I figured I could use and Axeman fan plate by grinding the nuts off it and drilling the four mounting bolts to the front plate. Then I cut notches in the insulation for the mounting Ears on the Axeman fan plate. There we go! Lets see how it fits!
I had to do a little more trimming on the fan plate and insulation. But it fits!!! Now we have and insulated fan plate for the 'Ol Axeman! I took it apart to paint it and I have to clean out the swirl chamber before I put it together for real.
The next question is, Which Fan To Use??? This one says "S130 belt" so it's probably a standard fan for and AHS S-130 with a belt drive motor. I know the little one is for the S-130 Direct Drive motor. This motor spins at 3450 RPM, that's why its smaller. I think this one was made special for the previous owner. If I remember correctly, he wanted less output from his S-130 and AHS made this fan to reduce the output. It looks the same as the standard belt drive fan except the back plate completely covers the back of the fan. I guess this makes it flow less CFM. More later!
-Don
I have some time off this week so were going to be working on some projects that are lagging behind. First thing to do was to measure up and trim some metal of the top of the AHS fan plate to clear the Axeman DHW coil. Once that was done I put the second part of the plate on to see if it would fit. These two plates create a sandwich and the 1/4" insulator goes in the middle. Not good. This plate is thin and only welded together in spots. If I trimmed it to fit it would be all flimsy. Next Idea!
I figured I could use and Axeman fan plate by grinding the nuts off it and drilling the four mounting bolts to the front plate. Then I cut notches in the insulation for the mounting Ears on the Axeman fan plate. There we go! Lets see how it fits!
I had to do a little more trimming on the fan plate and insulation. But it fits!!! Now we have and insulated fan plate for the 'Ol Axeman! I took it apart to paint it and I have to clean out the swirl chamber before I put it together for real.
The next question is, Which Fan To Use??? This one says "S130 belt" so it's probably a standard fan for and AHS S-130 with a belt drive motor. I know the little one is for the S-130 Direct Drive motor. This motor spins at 3450 RPM, that's why its smaller. I think this one was made special for the previous owner. If I remember correctly, he wanted less output from his S-130 and AHS made this fan to reduce the output. It looks the same as the standard belt drive fan except the back plate completely covers the back of the fan. I guess this makes it flow less CFM. More later!
-Don
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Well. I didn't get as far as I thought I would today.
I got the fan plate painted, put the bearings on it and temporarily put the Axeman motor on it just to be sure the belt would line up. Then I spent an hour or 2 scraping and vacuuming the swirl chamber. It's Really bad this time. There is a thick crust in there, the same with the cyclone separator. This is as clean as I could get it. I'll make some new scraping tools tomorrow. Then we'll have another go at it!
-Don
I got the fan plate painted, put the bearings on it and temporarily put the Axeman motor on it just to be sure the belt would line up. Then I spent an hour or 2 scraping and vacuuming the swirl chamber. It's Really bad this time. There is a thick crust in there, the same with the cyclone separator. This is as clean as I could get it. I'll make some new scraping tools tomorrow. Then we'll have another go at it!
-Don
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Thanks Ziggy! I think I got it covered though.
It's 1.5" of space between the outer and inner parts of the swirl chamber. I used a 2" round boiler brush and attached it to a drill. And I used a horse brush on the inner part. I spent a lot of time in there with the brushes but still couldn't get the thick crust off of some spots. I guess this is the problem you run into when you just shut the boiler off and don't remove the stove pipe. The humidity just eats everything! It was the same deal in the cyclone separator. A thick, rusty crust. I got more aggressive in here. I sharpened the ends of some flat stock pieces and hammered on them when needed. I used the poker to poke the cone when crap blocked it. Even with all that, I couldn't get a lot of it off. From there, we moved on to the grate and grate rollers. Pulled the grate. It was caked with ash. Not problem though, I clean it with flat stock and then whack it with the hammer. The vibrations remove all the stuck on crap. There Ya Go! all clean. Then we pulled the grate rollers, cleaned them up with PB Blaster, slathered them with anti-seize and put them back in. Then onto the chimney! Well that was the last YANK! for my clean out cover. I got a surprising amount of crap out of the chimney this time. Not sure where that all came from but its clean now! It gets new stove pipe this year. I didn't remove it back in June when we shut the boiler down so it rusted pretty good.
-Don
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
OK. Cleaning is all done, back to the AHS insulated fan plate conversion.
Bolted the sandwiched fan plates together. I had to move them around until they lined up right. I also had to do some measuring to get the fan in the right place. We needed to move the shaft in towards the boiler and the fan out as close to the fan plate as we could get it. We are using the standard S-130 fan, not the reduced output one. We'll just slow it down some to get the BTU output we need. Well, That's It! All Done! I put some grease in the pillow block bearings and turned it on. It seems to run fine. The only thing I've noticed is it vibrates more than the rubber mounted Axeman fan set up. I cut and fit some new stove pipe. Tomorrow I'll put 3 screws in each joint and seal all the joints with Hi Temp silicone. After that, we'll wait for the cold weather!
-Don
Bolted the sandwiched fan plates together. I had to move them around until they lined up right. I also had to do some measuring to get the fan in the right place. We needed to move the shaft in towards the boiler and the fan out as close to the fan plate as we could get it. We are using the standard S-130 fan, not the reduced output one. We'll just slow it down some to get the BTU output we need. Well, That's It! All Done! I put some grease in the pillow block bearings and turned it on. It seems to run fine. The only thing I've noticed is it vibrates more than the rubber mounted Axeman fan set up. I cut and fit some new stove pipe. Tomorrow I'll put 3 screws in each joint and seal all the joints with Hi Temp silicone. After that, we'll wait for the cold weather!
-Don
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Well, I couldn't resist!
I was cold and windy and wet today. Lows will be in the low 30's for the next few day so I figured I would light it up! I wanted to wait until the first big chill in December but Oh Well. This AHS drive system is making more noise and vibration than I though it would. We are running a 3" drive pulley and a 3.4" fan pulley. 1522 RPM. -Don
I was cold and windy and wet today. Lows will be in the low 30's for the next few day so I figured I would light it up! I wanted to wait until the first big chill in December but Oh Well. This AHS drive system is making more noise and vibration than I though it would. We are running a 3" drive pulley and a 3.4" fan pulley. 1522 RPM. -Don
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
It could be, AHS fans are not balanced like Axeman fans. I think most of it is just due to the fact that we have eliminated all the rubber mountings for the fan and motor. This allows all of the rotating assembly vibrations to be transmitted to the boiler and pluming.
The new Green belt is a little snug and makes more vibrations than a loose belt. I swapped the loose belt on but its a bit too loose. I'll have to get one that is in between this week sometime.
A bit too tight. A bit too loose. -Don
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
I put a 2.5" drive pulley and a 3" split pulley that is opened to about 2.75". This makes the Green belt looser and got rid of some vibration. The fan should be about 1568 RPM.
Fan RPM = 1568.0 RPM (Stock is 2875 RPM)
Ashing = 2.0 Teeth
Auger speed = 4.31 RPM (Stock is 8.05 RPM)
Grate cycles per hour = 10.35
Pounds per hour = About ? pounds per fan run time hour
Aquastat = 160*F (Inkbird), ON/OFF, Hysteresis = 5*
Anthrastat = 120*F (Inkbird), Hysteresis = 0.5*
Low flue temperature cut off = 160*F, Hysteresis = 0.1*
-Don
Fan hours = 1148.4. Auger hours = 667.3.
Current settings,Fan RPM = 1568.0 RPM (Stock is 2875 RPM)
Ashing = 2.0 Teeth
Auger speed = 4.31 RPM (Stock is 8.05 RPM)
Grate cycles per hour = 10.35
Pounds per hour = About ? pounds per fan run time hour
Aquastat = 160*F (Inkbird), ON/OFF, Hysteresis = 5*
Anthrastat = 120*F (Inkbird), Hysteresis = 0.5*
Low flue temperature cut off = 160*F, Hysteresis = 0.1*
-Don
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It's not the cheapest stuff but it runs really smooth and obviously you can customize the length to whatever you want at any time.
Chris
It's not the cheapest stuff but it runs really smooth and obviously you can customize the length to whatever you want at any time.
Chris