Stoker Boiler Install - Ontario, Canada

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Post by PolarLight » Thu. May. 10, 2018 4:37 pm

Oh yes, guys. Its says Zota.
Auger assembly is quite complicated.
Here the better picture for you.
It brings coal from left to right then in opposite direction. Its done for a reason, fire wont go into the hooper from boiler.

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Post by PolarLight » Thu. May. 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Boiler and all tree pieces are very solid. Motor has power enough to break stoynes if they accidently got into hopper. In fact, if its still stops it do reverse 3 times and do job again.
Heavy and a big machine. Total weight around 1500lb.

 
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Post by lzaharis » Thu. May. 10, 2018 5:52 pm

Hello Polar Light,

Thank you for updating us on this.

Please be sure to check the electric motor for the gear drive on the ZOTA stoker to assure it is a 60 cycle wired system as it will not work for you if it is a fifty cycle electric motor UNLESS You exchange the motor for a new one or have the existing motor and controls rewired for 60 cycle single phase electricity. The name plate on the electric motor will provide you with this information.

 
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Post by PolarLight » Thu. May. 10, 2018 6:23 pm

I am planning to get an 110V to 220V adaptor. I am not sure if it capable of changing frequency as well.

 
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Post by Qtown1835 » Fri. May. 11, 2018 7:20 am

PolarLight wrote:
Thu. May. 10, 2018 6:23 pm
I am planning to get an 110V to 220V adaptor. I am not sure if it capable of changing frequency as well.
60hz is 60hz. Dont drop the voltage to 120v unless you plan on adding larger wire and a bigger breaker to your circuit. the 50 to 60hz conversion will be a bigger problem anyway. Increasing frequency means a faster spinning motor, augers, pullys, fans, etc.

 
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Post by coaledsweat » Fri. May. 11, 2018 7:24 am

Post up a picture of the motor data plate please.

 
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Post by PolarLight » Fri. May. 11, 2018 10:48 am

Here it is. If I got it right that motor need 230V and can be operated under 50 and 60hz. But RPM gonna be higher.

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Post by PolarLight » Fri. May. 11, 2018 10:55 am

Here the pic of the fan motor.
Please help me guys.
In Russia or Poland they have 50hz here in Canada we got 60hz.
Does it meat that motor will be spinning faster and I will have to do some corrections?

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Post by McGiever » Fri. May. 11, 2018 10:59 am

Yes, but very minor. Your boiler has some very sophisticated controls onboard to deal with this.

Even if it didn't already list 60hz on any tag, the motor doesn't care...just as *Qtown* stated and the tag shows, it just increases the speed some rpms is all. Disregard the "Doom and Gloom" message.

The Bigger Problem is that the 230 volt geardrive motor you have there is 3 phase, NOT Single phase. :what:

Solution, If boiler controls don't already do this: Adding a proper VFD can input 230volt single phase and output 230volt 3 phase that you need and also give you the ability to trim the speed down at the same time. :)

 
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Post by lzaharis » Fri. May. 11, 2018 11:38 am

You can use a rotophaser from one of the folks below with no issue.

A roto phaser would be better for this installation which would let you keep the three phase system intact without any wiring changes/modifications.
www.wikepedia.org/wiki/Rotary_phase_converter
www.rotophase.com
www.arco-electric.com
www.ronkelectrical.com
www.americanrotary.com
www.phase-a-matic.com/RotaryInstallation.htm

Lots of folks that have three phase equipment in their wood shops and metal shops use them down here in the U.S.

 
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Post by Qtown1835 » Fri. May. 11, 2018 2:08 pm

Could you get away with just using a static phase converter? Or maybe the HP drop would be too much? This would be a cheaper alternative than a rotary converter,.

 
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Post by McGiever » Fri. May. 11, 2018 5:51 pm

Really? A Rotophase for a 1/4 hp motor? :roll:

How would you Start and Stop a Rotophase for each boiler firing cycle?...or would you just let the Rotophase spin the utility meter 24/7 to be always ready?

Doom and Gloom is never ending.


BTW: VFD for 1/4 hp motor is $125.00 And is easily Started and Stopped by existing boiler controls already in place. And uses no power while idle.

 
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Post by PolarLight » Sat. May. 12, 2018 6:47 am

Thanks guys. Seems as a Variable Freq Drive would be a good solition in my case. Will be hunting for that device soon.
:-)

 
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Post by lzaharis » Sat. May. 12, 2018 8:41 am

With the motor being three phase and as large as the motor looked it certainly seemed like
it was a much larger electric motor that is why I suggested a rotophaser before I saw the name plate and the motor specs.

Variable Frequency Drives have their share of issues as well from dirty power.

 
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Post by McGiever » Sat. May. 12, 2018 10:31 am

Doom and Gloom. Shh!
The glass is always half empty, eh.


Here, as an example, PolarLight:
https://m.ebay.com/itm/1-5KW-2HP-VFD-7A-220V-Sing ... SwZvRaYmS-

More money, but Would be my personal choice:
https://m.ebay.com/itm/AC-Tech-ESV371N02YXB-Drive ... 0890.m2460


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