Eshland S 260 Rebuild

Post by **Rob R.** » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 6:26 pm

hotblast1357 wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 6:10 pm
I’m sure it will get even better when I can’t see outside around my doors, and through my window seals.

With 160’ of underground pex and it in its own building I’m very happy.

I am not trying to fault your house or installation, but if I put up a brand new house of that size and had to put that kind of BTUs into it I would be pretty frustrated. Right now you are burning considerably more per sq ft. than my brother, who lives in a log house in the same climate...with walls made out of solid wood and no insulation.

Hopefully when you get the windows and doors addressed things tighten up a little.

Post by **Rob R.** » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 6:43 pm

Just to add, I can see where my post might seem like a slam. It was not meant to be, I just think you will see quite an improvement when you get those leaks sealed up. Right now it is acting more like an old house than a new one.

hotblast1357 · Post by **hotblast1357** » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 7:07 pm

I actually think 75 pounds per day, heating 2300 sq ft to 75 degrees and dhw, with a boiler out in its own building, is doing pretty good? I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else on this board with same climate using less coal with their boiler inside?

How much do u honestly think I would burn if I had a efm in my basement? 40 pounds per day in the same weather?

Where does your brother live?

These brand new houses really aren’t all u guys are cracking them up to be? Lol it’s just a 6” wall with R19.

Post by **Rob R.** » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 7:36 pm

I don't think you are doing bad for what you are heating, and allowing for the boiler being in a separate building. I was just saying that if I built a brand new home I would expect it to require less coal. Perhaps my expectations are unrealistic, or I am mistaken about how much the house needs vs. the rest of the system.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else on this board with same climate using less coal with their boiler inside?

I posted a few pages back how mine compared. My brother's house is in West Chazy. It is protected from the West wind, but wide open on the South side. I don't think him having an EFM has anything to do with the difference.

These brand new houses really aren’t all u guys are cracking them up to be? Lol it’s just a 6” wall with R19.

The 6" wall is only part of it, the vapor barrier, foamed wire penetrations, and extra insulation in the attic is what should make it act a lot different than an older home. Some friends of ours just built a new home on the lake and it heats like a thermos compared to my place.

How much coal did you used to burn in your old house with the New Yorker?

Post by **coaledsweat** » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 7:38 pm

hotblast1357 wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 7:07 pm
I actually think 75 pounds per day, heating 2300 sq ft to 75 degrees and dhw, with a boiler out in its own building, is doing pretty good?

Yah, very good.

hotblast1357 · Post by **hotblast1357** » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 7:47 pm

It only has normal lowes style house wrap, foamed wire penetrations? I don’t think so, they claim r 38 in the ceiling, but there is only about 8” of some type of blown in up there.

If I would have built this and of coarse had all kinds of money to insulate properly, I prob wouldn’t even heat with coal. But not to many people have 200,000 cash to build there own home lol so I have to settle with what I paid for, which I don’t think even has any insulation in the bedroom corner per the infra red camera and IR gun lol I tried my best with the foundation, but even I had to take short cuts, and I couldn’t control the work performance of the site crew that set the house and pieced it together, there was a foam gasket in the middle of the two mods, when they set the second one on the foundation, they had it tilted wrong and it ended up tearing all the foam right out, lol there’s probably a 2” gap in some spots in the center, they where suppose to spray foam it, but i was at work, and I don’t think it got done.

I also have to redo the rim joist insulation cuz they did a terrible job.

By this time next year I plan to have my coal consumption cut down hopefully considerably.

hotblast1357 · Post by **hotblast1357** » Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 7:51 pm

Rob R. wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 7:36 pm
How much coal did you used to burn in your old house with the New Yorker?

I burnt about 4 ton last year, I only ran it last year. It’s usually 5-10 degrees colder here per day than it is at the old house.

Post by **Rob R.** » Mon. Jan. 08, 2018 5:39 am

hotblast1357 wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 07, 2018 7:47 pm
It only has normal lowes style house wrap, foamed wire penetrations? I don’t think so, they claim r 38 in the ceiling, but there is only about 8” of some type of blown in up there.

If I would have built this and of coarse had all kinds of money to insulate properly, I prob wouldn’t even heat with coal. But not to many people have 200,000 cash to build there own home lol so I have to settle with what I paid for, which I don’t think even has any insulation in the bedroom corner per the infra red camera and IR gun lol I tried my best with the foundation, but even I had to take short cuts, and I couldn’t control the work performance of the site crew that set the house and pieced it together, there was a foam gasket in the middle of the two mods, when they set the second one on the foundation, they had it tilted wrong and it ended up tearing all the foam right out, lol there’s probably a 2” gap in some spots in the center, they where suppose to spray foam it, but i was at work, and I don’t think it got done.

I also have to redo the rim joist insulation cuz they did a terrible job.

By this time next year I plan to have my coal consumption cut down hopefully considerably.

How is that even up to code? In my area they are requiring a blower test and IR scan of new homes before you get a COO...at first I thought they were nuts, but after the issues you just mentioned it is probably a good idea. All those things you mentioned will make a noticeable difference when you get them corrected.

hotblast1357 · Post by **hotblast1357** » Mon. Jan. 08, 2018 6:22 am

Haha the truth is,my house was actually the LAST house put up around here that didn’t require it by code, it is now required by NYS to get your CO. I’ve told the housing company, which was kinda complaining about doing these test now, that it will in fact save them a lot of time and money due to houses like mine that just end up having a lot of small issues that they have to come back to fix, except like the cold air return not being hooked up in the attic drawing cold outside air for all October and part of November, that cost me some coal for sure.

hotblast1357 · Post by **hotblast1357** » Sun. Jan. 14, 2018 5:39 pm

462 pounds. 66/day.

28.2 hours, we’ve used to 1.2 pound per hour, it was 50 here Friday.

hotblast1357 · Post by **hotblast1357** » Sun. Jan. 21, 2018 9:05 am

Another 462 pounds, 66/day.

35.2 hours, 7 hours of ashing, 1.1 lbs/hour.

55 pounds of ash.

swyman · Post by **swyman** » Sun. Jan. 21, 2018 9:14 am

hotblast1357 wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 21, 2018 9:05 am
Another 462 pounds, 66/day.

35.2 hours, 7 hours of ashing, 1.1 lbs/hour.

55 pounds of ash.

Hey HB, excuse my ignorance but what is ashing? I assume it's like my low fire mode?

Post by **StokerDon** » Sun. Jan. 21, 2018 9:35 am

swyman wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 21, 2018 9:14 am
Hey HB, excuse my ignorance but what is ashing? I assume it's like my low fire mode?

This only applies to the AA and AHS/Eshland type boilers. These slice the ash off of the bottom of the fire, all others push the ash out with burning coal.

-Don

hotblast1357 · Post by **hotblast1357** » Sun. Jan. 21, 2018 9:37 am

No it’s not.

The eshland and AHS are hopper fed, and so the only way to introduce more coal into the fire pot, is for the ashing motor to run which actuates the ash grate, it takes ash off the bottom of the fire and adds coal to the top.

Post by **StokerDon** » Sun. Jan. 21, 2018 9:38 am

hotblast1357 wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 21, 2018 9:05 am
Another 462 pounds, 66/day.

35.2 hours, 7 hours of ashing, 1.1 lbs/hour.

55 pounds of ash.

Is that a #2 ash tub? My 130 will only fit a #1 ash tub.

-Don

Eshland S 260 Rebuild

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