Coal Gun S- 130 Install

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Post Sat. Jan. 28, 2017 1:03 am

Rob R. wrote:Good idea keeping the electric boiler. You never know when you might need to leave for a few days, or be unable to tend to the coal boiler.
That 28x38 spa room sounds interesting. Are you going to heat it with fin-tube baseboard?

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I think it is and yes I will, As of now I have a 1&1/4 inch copper loop running around the basement it splits & the 1 1/4 runs left to a radiator in the basement and then to the 3 bedrooms and the bathroom then returns to the boiler. The right at the split is 1 inch copper that runs into a crawl space under the living room and small dinning room then returns to the boiler, all rooms have fin-tube baseboards. There is no heat in the kitchen as the house is very open. The back room is a spa room with no heat as of now. I closed it off when I went to an elect, boiler. It is 3/4 copper pipe with fin-tube baseboards all around outside walls. I want to make basement and bed rooms zone 1. The living room. dinning room. and bathroom are to be the 2nd zone and the 28 by 38 spa room the third zone. My questions are can I run a new 1 1/4 copper line along side the old one to the split then cut the 1 inch line and cap the left side, that would let the old loop heat zone 1, then tie the new 1 1/4 pipe into the 1 inch loop which will heat zone 2, ill add zone 3 later. I will add a pump to both 1 1/4 loops. Pipe coming out of boiler is I 1/4 and I want ball valves before and after each pump, must I us 1 I/4 valves, can I use 3/4 valves with reducers then into 1 1/4 pipe ? All advise will be appreciated and thanks again! If this all won't work please tell me

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Post Sun. Jan. 29, 2017 3:50 pm

FirstcoalstokerRon wrote: Pipe coming out of boiler is I 1/4 and I want ball valves before and after each pump, must I us 1 I/4 valves, can I use 3/4 valves with reducers then into 1 1/4 pipe ? All advise will be appreciated and thanks again! If this all won't work please tell me
Use 1" valves and enlargers to 1-1/4".

It will work.

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Post Sun. Jan. 29, 2017 4:31 pm

Thanks McGiever for ALL of u help. As 1 inch is cheaper than 1-1/4 and I wilL be back with more dumb questions soon THANKS AGAIN

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Post Sun. Jan. 29, 2017 8:52 pm

The price of 1" valves and reducers may be the same as 1.25" valves. Check before you purchase.

Your piping questions would be easier to understand if you could post a diagram.

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Post Sun. Jan. 29, 2017 11:52 pm

Rob R. wrote:The price of 1" valves and reducers may be the same as 1.25" valves. Check before you purchase.

Your piping questions would be easier to understand if you could post a diagram.
Thanks Rob I will check. As you know I am I new to coal heat and was looking for help to install my AHS 1-30 with out a lot of knowledge when I found this forum. What I have learned has been from reading here thanks to you guys. But I am also new to this forum and asking questions, so if I do anything wrong I hope you will forgive my mistakes and help me learn. I have no idea how to post pics or diagrams but I will try and read about it and when I learn how I will post as needed. I will be happy for any and all help with this forum and the installation. I have learned a lot from you guys but I know a little knowledge is dangerous, but I am trying Any help here or in E-mail or private messages will be approached

THANKS Ron

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Post Mon. Jan. 30, 2017 4:33 am

You can feed 3 to 4 zones from the 8 GPM (80,000 BTUH) that a 1" type M copper pipe can easily sustain. And if pressed, it will carry 100,000 BTUH without velocity noise. Perhaps 1-1/4" pipe is not necessary.

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Post Mon. Jan. 30, 2017 1:34 pm

coaledsweat wrote:When you make a post, scroll down and there is a tab marked "attachments" to post photos. Hold the phone sideways and they should upload properly. Don't get upset, they don't always land the way you take them! :)
I will get Sandy to take pics lol so wont me my fault when I get far enough a long to have something to show. I should of called myself old nd slow but THANKS AGAIN

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Post Mon. Jan. 30, 2017 2:39 pm

lsayre wrote:You can feed 3 to 4 zones from the 8 GPM (80,000 BTUH) that a 1" type M copper pipe can easily sustain. And if pressed, it will carry 100,000 BTUH without velocity noise. Perhaps 1-1/4" pipe is not necessary.
Thanks lsayre,
As of now I have a 1-1/4 inch copper loop running part way around the basement about 30 ft. then it splits & the 1 1/4 runs left and the right at the split is 1 inch copper and was set up for a gas boiler 50 some years ago, then an instant elect boiler was installed and now I am installing the ASH S-30. What I need to know is since there will be 5 zones, 10 valves and 5 pumps and the pumps will be close to the boiler "pumping away" can I go from 1-1/4" pipe to 3/4" valves then back to 1-1/4" pipe at the valves then into the zone loops?? BTW ill get to the GPM and BTUH and the elect hook up MUCH LATER!!!! If I live that long. as I said I am old and slow to learn as well as do!!! THANKS AGAIN

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Post Mon. Jan. 30, 2017 6:14 pm

Yes, you can branch off of the 1-1/4" with 3/4" zone legs and return them to the 1-1/4".

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Post Mon. Jan. 30, 2017 6:34 pm

It would be pretty unusual to have 1.25" zone piping unless it is a monoflow system.

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Post Mon. Jan. 30, 2017 9:55 pm

Rob R. wrote:It would be pretty unusual to have 1.25" zone piping unless it is a monoflow system.
Not sure what a monoflow system is, but I do know I have 1-1/4 inch copper loop running part way around the basement about 30' then it splits & the 1 1/4" runs left and the right leg is 1" and then both loops return to the boiler, smaller pipe branches off to each baseboard then returns to the main loop. I made a diagram of what I want to do and I hope u can tell me if it will work if I can add it here.
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Post Tue. Jan. 31, 2017 2:53 pm

lsayre wrote:You can feed 3 to 4 zones from the 8 GPM (80,000 BTUH) that a 1" type M copper pipe can easily sustain. And if pressed, it will carry 100,000 BTUH without velocity noise. Perhaps 1-1/4" pipe is not necessary.
What is the difference between M & L copper pipe ?? I think I have some of both in my system dose it matter?? Seems to me the old is one and the new is the other.

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Post Tue. Jan. 31, 2017 3:06 pm

Wall thickness. You don't need much of it for home heating applications.

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Post Tue. Jan. 31, 2017 4:27 pm

lsayre wrote:Wall thickness. You don't need much of it for home heating applications.
Thanks lsayre. What one is thickest and is the thin one ok to use for baseboard hot water heat ? I hope so as I think I have some of both .

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Post Tue. Jan. 31, 2017 5:46 pm

From memory type M is the thinner of the two. It is universally chosen as the right one for hydronic heating. My house has had it in use since 1964. When I tapped into it during my boiler install I did notice that it is a bit thinner walled than fresh and new type M, so 46 years of use did thin it a bit.

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