AA 130 Install
- McGiever
- Member
- Posts: 10130
- Joined: Sun. May. 02, 2010 11:26 pm
- Location: Junction of PA-OH-WV
- Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
- Hand Fed Coal Boiler: BUCKET A DAY water heater
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Warm Morning 414A
- Coal Size/Type: PEA,NUT,STOVE /ANTHRACITE
- Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump and some Solar
Timer is seldom needed...summer DHW is possibly the case for timer
- Rob R.
- Site Moderator
- Posts: 18009
- Joined: Fri. Dec. 28, 2007 4:26 pm
- Location: Chazy, NY
- Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Jr
I think this is the first install I have seen with the boiler piping outside. You better insulate the heck out of that pipe.
How big is the home? That is a huge bank of circulators.
How big is the home? That is a huge bank of circulators.
-
- Member
- Posts: 312
- Joined: Sat. Oct. 25, 2014 11:22 am
- Location: Halifax, Pa
- Stoker Coal Boiler: axeman anderson 130
- Coal Size/Type: Pea
My house is 3200 sq ft 1st floor. With the basement we are 6400 roughly. I have every room in the house zoned off, so each room has a zone. There are 8 zones total for heat and 2 zones for indirect water heaters. We have a duplex and my parents live next to us. Everything will be insulated. It is only about a 18' run outside so it is not too long.
- StokerDon
- Site Moderator
- Posts: 7502
- Joined: Mon. Nov. 11, 2013 11:17 am
- Location: PA, Southern York County!
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
NICE! The new boiler installs are starting!
I wouldn't worry about getting a timer, you don't need one on an AA.
At the top of those pipes above the boiler you should have a way for air to get out of the system. With all that piping you also need a good power purge set up to get the air out of the system when you fill it. Remember, the pump can't pump air, only water.
-Don
I wouldn't worry about getting a timer, you don't need one on an AA.
At the top of those pipes above the boiler you should have a way for air to get out of the system. With all that piping you also need a good power purge set up to get the air out of the system when you fill it. Remember, the pump can't pump air, only water.
-Don
-
- Member
- Posts: 312
- Joined: Sat. Oct. 25, 2014 11:22 am
- Location: Halifax, Pa
- Stoker Coal Boiler: axeman anderson 130
- Coal Size/Type: Pea
Don in hind sight yes I should have put a vent at the top of the pipe. I did put a purge valve inside at pellet boiler to power purge. We were able to purge the system out yesterday, so I think that I am good. I will find out by the end out the week.StokerDon wrote: ↑Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 12:04 pmNICE! The new boiler installs are starting!
I wouldn't worry about getting a timer, you don't need one on an AA.
At the top of those pipes above the boiler you should have a way for air to get out of the system. With all that piping you also need a good power purge set up to get the air out of the system when you fill it. Remember, the pump can't pump air, only water.
-Don
Thank you for the input on the timer. I think with that coming from McGiever as well I am going to hold off on installing one.
I am hoping to have electric run by the end of the week and fire off next Saturday if things go as planned.
- StokerDon
- Site Moderator
- Posts: 7502
- Joined: Mon. Nov. 11, 2013 11:17 am
- Location: PA, Southern York County!
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
OK, we will be standing by for launch next Saturday!
Good to see you are using black iron pipe. The AA will over shoot to very high, PEX hurting, temperatures. If you have a bypass installed they won't be as bad. Also, if you are running the pump 24/7 you won't have much of an overshoot.
-Don
Good to see you are using black iron pipe. The AA will over shoot to very high, PEX hurting, temperatures. If you have a bypass installed they won't be as bad. Also, if you are running the pump 24/7 you won't have much of an overshoot.
-Don
-
- Member
- Posts: 673
- Joined: Sun. Nov. 17, 2019 2:17 pm
I don’t see any air release valves. As your pumps run they create cavitation in the media which generates small air bubbles at pocket together.
- Rob R.
- Site Moderator
- Posts: 18009
- Joined: Fri. Dec. 28, 2007 4:26 pm
- Location: Chazy, NY
- Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Jr
What type of pipe insulation are you going to use for the outside run?ziggy87 wrote: ↑Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 11:58 amMy house is 3200 sq ft 1st floor. With the basement we are 6400 roughly. I have every room in the house zoned off, so each room has a zone. There are 8 zones total for heat and 2 zones for indirect water heaters. We have a duplex and my parents live next to us. Everything will be insulated. It is only about a 18' run outside so it is not too long.
-
- Member
- Posts: 312
- Joined: Sat. Oct. 25, 2014 11:22 am
- Location: Halifax, Pa
- Stoker Coal Boiler: axeman anderson 130
- Coal Size/Type: Pea
There is an air scoop on the pellet boiler and there is and air vent above the coil plate.Holdencoal wrote: ↑Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 1:58 pmI don’t see any air release valves. As your pumps run they create cavitation in the media which generates small air bubbles at pocket together.
Rob I am going to use fiberglass and then I have heavy duty electrical tape to wrap around it. I want to see it I can double insulate it by putting a piece of 2" over the 1-1/4" insulation.
-
- Member
- Posts: 312
- Joined: Sat. Oct. 25, 2014 11:22 am
- Location: Halifax, Pa
- Stoker Coal Boiler: axeman anderson 130
- Coal Size/Type: Pea
I wish but, I am not going to attempt it. It would have only been a 10' run if would have gone in the front of the house, but to much stuff going on. We have superior walls, so going through the foundation was not at option. That and we are on a stone field where the house is located. We could not get the basement to the level we wanted because of how hard the digging was. I could have had a quarry here for a week.
-
- Member
- Posts: 312
- Joined: Sat. Oct. 25, 2014 11:22 am
- Location: Halifax, Pa
- Stoker Coal Boiler: axeman anderson 130
- Coal Size/Type: Pea
Got my coal delivered today from Lehigh. 22.41 tons. Driver did a great job keeping the coal on the trap. Things went a lot better than I thought they would.
Attachments
-
- Member
- Posts: 2379
- Joined: Sun. Mar. 25, 2007 8:41 pm
- Location: Ithaca, New York
- Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KAA-4-1 dual fuel boiler
- Hand Fed Coal Boiler: former switzer CWW100-sold
- Coal Size/Type: rice
- Other Heating: kerosene for dual fuel Keystoker/unused
Bite the bullet and purchase a heavy water proof tarp to cover the pile ziggy, the blue ones leak.
-
- Member
- Posts: 312
- Joined: Sat. Oct. 25, 2014 11:22 am
- Location: Halifax, Pa
- Stoker Coal Boiler: axeman anderson 130
- Coal Size/Type: Pea
Well no progress this week. Started my new job with a local HVAC company. They are an EFM dealer which is nice. Actually got to go look at a EFM DF520 this week that someone called in about. They usually do not work on stockers, but that might change with me being there.
Finished up my last boiler install that I had on the books. Put in a Weil McLain Aquabalance 155 combi. So hopefully next week I will have time to finish up my Axeman.
Finished up my last boiler install that I had on the books. Put in a Weil McLain Aquabalance 155 combi. So hopefully next week I will have time to finish up my Axeman.