The Van Wert VA600 Project
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
I went up to coal country today and picked up a real nice Van Wert VA600, well almost. I have to do a return trip after I figure out how to get the boiler out of the basement!
I got the stoker, controls and all the other bits. I left the boiler and covers for later. Yes, that is a bag of shear pins attached to the air control. Pot and rings are in excellent shape. The gears have no viable wear, the paint is just rubbed off. The oil guy that removed this Van Wert bashed up the end of the bin auger a bit, then cut most of it off. Not only that, somehow he bent the heck out of the auger to! Even the door, and controls are nice and clean on this one. Nice Dayton motor. That is a Beckett oil burner so, Yes, this one is dual fuel!!! Sorry, no pics of the boiler yet. The boiler and jackets are in excellent shape to. This Van Wert was replaced with an oil boiler. The strange thing is, the owner, instead of using oil as a backup for running out of coal, he used coal as a backup for his wallet when oil would get to expensive! That's why the stoker is in excellent shape, it was hardly used, the oil burner might need some work.
This one was installed New in 1988. Probably one of the newest Van Werts around. Now I just need to figure out how to get it out of the basement!
The reason it was removed is the PRV kept opening. The PRV was replaced and it still kept opening. The DHW coil was diagnosed as leaking into the boiler. The coil gasket area looks good, no leaks, no rust.
This will be a future project, I don't know when I will get back up there to pull the boiler. More later.
-Don
I got the stoker, controls and all the other bits. I left the boiler and covers for later. Yes, that is a bag of shear pins attached to the air control. Pot and rings are in excellent shape. The gears have no viable wear, the paint is just rubbed off. The oil guy that removed this Van Wert bashed up the end of the bin auger a bit, then cut most of it off. Not only that, somehow he bent the heck out of the auger to! Even the door, and controls are nice and clean on this one. Nice Dayton motor. That is a Beckett oil burner so, Yes, this one is dual fuel!!! Sorry, no pics of the boiler yet. The boiler and jackets are in excellent shape to. This Van Wert was replaced with an oil boiler. The strange thing is, the owner, instead of using oil as a backup for running out of coal, he used coal as a backup for his wallet when oil would get to expensive! That's why the stoker is in excellent shape, it was hardly used, the oil burner might need some work.
This one was installed New in 1988. Probably one of the newest Van Werts around. Now I just need to figure out how to get it out of the basement!
The reason it was removed is the PRV kept opening. The PRV was replaced and it still kept opening. The DHW coil was diagnosed as leaking into the boiler. The coil gasket area looks good, no leaks, no rust.
This will be a future project, I don't know when I will get back up there to pull the boiler. More later.
-Don
- Rob R.
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Nice find Don. It doesn't get much better than finding a boiler that was used year-round, unless it was also fired on oil...which is what you have discovered. I am looking forward to seeing the progress on this one.
For those that are not familiar, this is not some "toy stoker". Factory set for 18 lbs per hour on buck.
p.s. DON'T BREAK THE FIREDOOR!
For those that are not familiar, this is not some "toy stoker". Factory set for 18 lbs per hour on buck.
p.s. DON'T BREAK THE FIREDOOR!
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- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Thanks' Rob,
This one is so nice, I don't think I am even going to paint it. Well, the stoker needs to be painted but not the boiler or jacket. I did get a spare fire door from Scott, guess what I'm going to do with that! I have never worked on a oil fired boiler/furnace before. I was totally unprepared for the amount of just plain old oily FILTH!!! I ruined a work shirt, so bad the home owner gave me one of his to ware home.
You can see the black coating on the pot/air chamber and inside the doors. I think I will stop at the car wash with the boiler before I bring it home.
-Don
This one is so nice, I don't think I am even going to paint it. Well, the stoker needs to be painted but not the boiler or jacket. I did get a spare fire door from Scott, guess what I'm going to do with that! I have never worked on a oil fired boiler/furnace before. I was totally unprepared for the amount of just plain old oily FILTH!!! I ruined a work shirt, so bad the home owner gave me one of his to ware home.
You can see the black coating on the pot/air chamber and inside the doors. I think I will stop at the car wash with the boiler before I bring it home.
-Don
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Well after six months or so, I finally got the VA 600 boiler!
Lucky for me my friend Joe from Gouldsboro was available to help out, it would have been hell with out him. Looks like this one had a leak on top somewhere. More tomorrow, I'm to exhausted to type anymore. I'm glad I had help this time.
Thank you Joe!
-Don
Lucky for me my friend Joe from Gouldsboro was available to help out, it would have been hell with out him. Looks like this one had a leak on top somewhere. More tomorrow, I'm to exhausted to type anymore. I'm glad I had help this time.
Thank you Joe!
-Don
- Rob R.
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Looks like a really nice unit. I hope you put it into service and get to see what it can do. The Van Wert Heat exchanger design is quite a bit different than the other boilers you are running.
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Yea, it's kind of like a Swiss Roll standing on end. If you could cut the top off of the boiler, you could see that the hot gasses go through a top to bottom slot in the left front and travel between walls counterclockwise until they reach the outlet in the back. This brings the hot gasses into contact with a lot of boiler walls.Rob R. wrote:The Van Wert Heat exchanger design is quite a bit different than the other boilers you are running.
-Don
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
I took it outside and rigged it up for a pressure test.
I also wanted to test the DHW coil. This boiler was diagnosed with a leaking coil causing the PRV to lift. To test this I just left the coil connections opened. If there's a leak, boiler water will come out of the coil. After filling it for a few minutes I started to hear the coil hissing and then water came out of it. Well they were right, the DHW coil is bad. I decided to plug the coil and continue with the pressure test. Once it got the boiler filled and pressured up, the pressure started to drop. I looked at the coil and I could see water weeping out from the coil nuts. So now I have that same old classic coal boiler dilemma. Replace the leaking coil which is expensive and time consuming or just weld a plate over it so it never leaks again, cheap and easy.
Here's a shot of the "H" stamped data plate. It states "HEAT SURF 24.5" and "YR 87". I think these mean that the surface area inside the boiler is 24.5 sq ft and it was built in 1987. I have 3 videos of the pressure test. Here is the first one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DveXh4-_Gm0&feature=youtu.be
-Don
I also wanted to test the DHW coil. This boiler was diagnosed with a leaking coil causing the PRV to lift. To test this I just left the coil connections opened. If there's a leak, boiler water will come out of the coil. After filling it for a few minutes I started to hear the coil hissing and then water came out of it. Well they were right, the DHW coil is bad. I decided to plug the coil and continue with the pressure test. Once it got the boiler filled and pressured up, the pressure started to drop. I looked at the coil and I could see water weeping out from the coil nuts. So now I have that same old classic coal boiler dilemma. Replace the leaking coil which is expensive and time consuming or just weld a plate over it so it never leaks again, cheap and easy.
Here's a shot of the "H" stamped data plate. It states "HEAT SURF 24.5" and "YR 87". I think these mean that the surface area inside the boiler is 24.5 sq ft and it was built in 1987. I have 3 videos of the pressure test. Here is the first one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DveXh4-_Gm0&feature=youtu.be
-Don
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
I posted the other 2 pressure test videos.
I got the DHW coil out of the boiler. 8 of the 10 nuts came off easy, 2 were a bit more stuck. After working them back an forth and hitting them with PB Blaster, one came off, the other broke the stud. After pulling the coil out, I noticed a lot of the other studs are very thin at the bottom. I wouldn't feel to good about leaving them in there. I guess this will be a drill and tap job OR weld a plate over it. I took a quick look at the coil. It's not obvious where it's leaking. It's a tough decision weather or not to weld a plate over the DHW hole. I have not decided what I'm going to heat with this one so that makes it even tougher.
-Don
I got the DHW coil out of the boiler. 8 of the 10 nuts came off easy, 2 were a bit more stuck. After working them back an forth and hitting them with PB Blaster, one came off, the other broke the stud. After pulling the coil out, I noticed a lot of the other studs are very thin at the bottom. I wouldn't feel to good about leaving them in there. I guess this will be a drill and tap job OR weld a plate over it. I took a quick look at the coil. It's not obvious where it's leaking. It's a tough decision weather or not to weld a plate over the DHW hole. I have not decided what I'm going to heat with this one so that makes it even tougher.
-Don
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
I made a Youtube Playlist of the pressure test videos. I added one about the DHW coil to.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFU8SaWNbzx-riP8MZ8iWJ4g1_hcLDsHI
-Don
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFU8SaWNbzx-riP8MZ8iWJ4g1_hcLDsHI
-Don
- nepacoal
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- Coal Size/Type: Buck
Thanks for these summertime posts and videos SD. It helps with the coal withdrawals I'm having. On a side note, my new KAA-4 is purring along making DHW and only uses 17 lbs per day. I am actually looking forward to winter this year!
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Thank you for watching them!nepacoal wrote:Thanks for these summertime posts and videos SD. It helps with the coal withdrawals I'm having. On a side note, my new KAA-4 is purring along making DHW and only uses 17 lbs per day. I am actually looking forward to winter this year!
That is a nice side note. This is my first Summer running a boiler. So far, no problems. My coal usage is between 19 and 22 pounds per day, I wish I could get it a little lower.
-Don
- nepacoal
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- Coal Size/Type: Buck
My keystoker is insulated which I'm sure helps with coal usage. I added insulation to the top last month to reduce basement temps and my water temp at idle jumped from 170 to 190+. And, it has not had a call for hot water since insulating the top. It just idles along and provides tons of hot water using the mixing valve set at 125
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Food for thought... Here's what is done on the AA Stoker water coils...StokerDon wrote:I posted the other 2 pressure test videos.
I got the DHW coil out of the boiler. 8 of the 10 nuts came off easy, 2 were a bit more stuck. After working them back an forth and hitting them with PB Blaster, one came off, the other broke the stud. After pulling the coil out, I noticed a lot of the other studs are very thin at the bottom. I wouldn't feel to good about leaving them in there. I guess this will be a drill and tap job OR weld a plate over it. I took a quick look at the coil. It's not obvious where it's leaking. It's a tough decision weather or not to weld a plate over the DHW hole. I have not decided what I'm going to heat with this one so that makes it even tougher.
-Don
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- Coal Size/Type: PEA,NUT,STOVE /ANTHRACITE
- Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump and some Solar
And even if one wasn't wanting to do a coil immediately the extended flange could be blanked off just the same until such a time that a coil was decided on.