The Van Wert VA600 Project

 
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Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Mon. Oct. 01, 2018 7:29 pm

David... wrote:
Mon. Oct. 01, 2018 12:30 pm
That is some is pretty expensive hot water.
Not really, when I turn on my electric water heater my electric bill goes crazy. Coal is cheap, plus running the boiler year round prevents expensive problems.

Besides, burning coal is fun! Ya can't really say that about watching an electric water heater.

-Don


 
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Post by nepacoal » Mon. Oct. 01, 2018 7:51 pm

StokerDon wrote:
Mon. Oct. 01, 2018 7:29 pm
Besides, burning coal is fun! Ya can't really say that about watching an electric water heater.

-Don
Amen to that!!!

 
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Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sun. Oct. 07, 2018 7:35 pm

We shut down the Van Wert on Friday morning. Then, Saturday afternoon we fired up the Axeman Anderson in the garage. There is 5 ton of Pea coal for the Axeman to eat so the Van Wert will be shut down for the foreseeable future.

The meter reading today is 4304.8 - 4294.5 = 10.3 hours over the passed 5.5 days, 1.873 hours per day. 18.73 pounds per day.
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That's the Amtrol water heater that the basement and garage boilers heat. Works great! Even though no boilers were running Friday morning through Saturday afternoon, we never ran out of hot water.
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Still a little bit of coal left in the barrel.
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-Don

 
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sun. Jun. 28, 2020 6:42 pm

It's been a long while but the 'Ol Van Wert still answers the call when needed!
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I've been having problems with the Axeman in the garage so we are putting the Van Wert back into service for a while.
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It's Summer time so we will just be heating DHW. This will give me a chance to try to get the DHW consumption down to 14 pounds per day, I hope. :oops:
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Filled up the barrel. Should be good to go for about 2 weeks!
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And, some Summer time, coal burn'in video action.


-Don

 
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Post by Canaan coal man » Tue. Jun. 30, 2020 7:27 am

Don how hot is your basement running that beast for dhw?

 
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Post by StokerDon » Tue. Jun. 30, 2020 6:24 pm

We have the beast tuned down a bit from full blast Winter operation. It was about 90 here today and the basement is 72. Not bad at all.

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Post by StokerDon » Wed. Jul. 01, 2020 7:25 pm

We have implemented the "Low & Slow" coal burning method that we developed for the 1959 Axeman Anderson.

I actually didn't think this would work on anything but an Axeman, but I could be wrong.
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We are achieving this by swapping out the 3" motor drive pulley for a 2" pulley. Going by the Rice coal feed rate tests on page 2 of this thread, 1/2" of drive pulley is about 2.25 pounds per hour. With the 3" pulley it was 10 pounds per hour so theoretically, 2" should give us 5.5 pounds per hour.
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I think the trick here is to push just enough air to burn the coal, no more, no less.

It's been running like this for a couple days now. As you can see the fire looks lazy but it is staying up on top of the pot and not sinking down deep.
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Just heating DHW for Summer. It has answered the call every time so far!

We have a nice new hour meter to track stoker run time.
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The timer is set for about 2 minutes every 30 minutes.
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Aquastat is set for LO = 150, HI = 200.
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Overfire draft goes positive at start up, then back negative once it gets running.
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On these setting the stack stays below 220.
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The amazing thing about these settings is that the boiler temp hardly overshoots! I have yet to see it go over 170.

Current settings;

Feed Rate = 2" drive pulley = 5.5 pounds per hour.
Air = 8.
Aquastat = LO = 150, HI = 200, DIFF = 10.
Timer = 2 minutes every 30 minutes.

Some video action!


-Don


 
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sun. Jul. 05, 2020 6:48 pm

Since Wednesday we have only changed 1 setting. We increased the air from 8 to 10. That's all we can get out of it at this low fan/stoker speed. It works well and we have about a 1.5" ash ring so we are good to go.
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We got 4.5 ton of Rice delivered yesterday. There was 800 or so pounds still left in there, total just under 5 ton now.
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Over the past 4 days the stoker ran for 13.05 hours x 5.5 pounds per hour = 71.775 pounds, 17.94 pounds per day.
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We're not down to 14 pounds per day yet, but we have a couple more tricks. Currently we are running the timer at 2 minutes every 30 minutes with no sign of an outfire. We might run it once an hour. That could knock 48 minutes off the run time.

We had a power outage the other night for over 3 hours. When I got up in the morning, the Van Wert was just sitting there with the fire lit and ready to do it's job.

I think we will trim the timer back to once per hour. I just talked myself into it! :D


Current settings;

Feed Rate = 2" drive pulley = 5.5 pounds per hour.
Air = 10.
Aquastat = LO = 154, HI = 200, DIFF = 10.
Timer = 2 minutes every hour.

-Don

 
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Post by StokerDon » Sun. Jul. 12, 2020 7:04 pm

Yesterday I changed the air back to 8 from 10. The ash ring was bigger than it should be and the fire was sinking.
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21.25 hours of stoker run time, 3.04 hours per day, 116.875 pounds, 16.7 pounds per day.
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Even though we trimmed 48 minutes per day off the timer, it still runs about 3 hours per day. This means we are predominantly running on heat calls. Boiler temp stays in the 155 to 165 degree range and never goes near the HI limit of 200. No sign of any outfires, All is well.

14.97% ash.
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Draft is staying on the negative side, for the most part.
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Current settings;

Feed Rate = 2" drive pulley = 5.5 pounds per hour.
Air = 8.
Aquastat = LO = 154, HI = 200, DIFF = 10.
Timer = 2 minutes every hour.

-Don

 
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sun. Jul. 19, 2020 7:35 pm

Another 7 days go by...

It is really, really HOT. Lots of 90+ degree days and mostly 90+ degree days to come. It hit 100 today. :x
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21.033 hours of stoker run time, 3.001 hours per day. 115.8615 pounds, 16.53 pounds per day.
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18 pounds of ash, 15.5%
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You can see that the Gofer has been in there!
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Current settings;

Feed Rate = 2" drive pulley = 5.5 pounds per hour.
Air = 8.
Aquastat = LO = 154, HI = 200, DIFF = 10.
Timer = 2 minutes every hour.

-Don

 
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Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sun. Jul. 26, 2020 11:18 am

At about 1100 on Monday morning we changed the motor drive pulley from 2" to 1.5". After 6 days it is working very well.
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This, theoretically, put us at 3.25 pounds per hour. The fan is running so slow now that we have the air opened up all the way to 11. It is barely keeping up.
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The clock ran for 1.5 hours before we changed the feed rate and it has been around twice. That gives us 25 hours of run time over the passed 6 days.
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25 hours of runtime, 81.5 pounds, 13.54 pounds per day.
Not much ash, and it is very light feeling.
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On these settings it looks like we have more than achieved our goal of 14 pounds per day for DHW only! :yes:

Here is the video of it on super low and slow.


Current settings;

Feed Rate = 1.5" drive pulley = 3.25 pounds per hour?
Air = 11.
Aquastat = LO = 154, HI = 200, DIFF = 10.
Timer = 2 minutes every hour.

-Don

 
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Post by Canaan coal man » Tue. Jul. 28, 2020 9:15 am

Don is there a formal to fig out if when coal is cheaper than an electric hot water heater? Connecticut just raised the rates for the 3rd time this year. I can get bulk coal delivered for 200$ Ton. I would be willing to burn summer time as long as I can hold draft.

 
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Post by lsayre » Tue. Jul. 28, 2020 9:21 am

Don, 13.5 Lbs. per day is fantastic for DHW.

Canaan Coal Man, if you can get down to as little as 13.5 Lbs. per day for DHW, it should cost you about $42 per month for the coal, plus some amount of electricity charge on top of that.

A straight electricity bill for DHW is most likely going to come in at less than that.

 
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Post by StokerDon » Tue. Jul. 28, 2020 8:53 pm

Canaan coal man wrote:
Tue. Jul. 28, 2020 9:15 am
Don is there a formal to fig out if when coal is cheaper than an electric hot water heater?
Usually, coal costs a little more than electric for DHW. There is less chance of things rusting up if you run the boiler 365 days though.
Wow, you can get it for $200 a ton up there? That's really good! :yes: Mine cost $190 this year.
lsayre wrote:
Tue. Jul. 28, 2020 9:21 am
13.5 Lbs. per day is fantastic for DHW.
Thanks Larry!
I finally made it down to your neighborhood! 8-)

-Don

 
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Post by Rob R. » Wed. Jul. 29, 2020 6:51 am

Canaan coal man wrote:
Tue. Jul. 28, 2020 9:15 am
Don is there a formal to fig out if when coal is cheaper than an electric hot water heater? Connecticut just raised the rates for the 3rd time this year. I can get bulk coal delivered for 200$ Ton. I would be willing to burn summer time as long as I can hold draft.
What is your electric rate? I have heard it is pretty scary in CT.


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