New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

Stoker Coal Boilers automatically feed the coal and have controls and pumps just like any conventions boiler. They are intended to be used as a primary heat and often have domestic hot water coils as an added bonus. They can be set up independently or in dual sytem with your existing oil/gas boiler. They can accommodate both hot water base board or steam plumbing.
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BigJohn
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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 7:04 pm

Need your opinions. I will be replacing the oil fired boiler with coal. I have a 122,000 BTU unit now that does the job. I'm comparing the KA6 and the LL110. What do you guys think?

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Carbon12
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Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace
Location: Harrisburg, PA

Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 7:14 pm

How much oil do you use per season?
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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 7:19 pm

I can't compare oil use. I use a LL Pioneer to heat the house with the oil. Looking to compare the Keystoker to the LL

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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 7:45 pm

Fuel use is one indicator of load.

You will need to figure out if you need the extra capacity of the KA-6.

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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 8:36 pm

As I read the LL website, it says the 110 boiler has 110k input BTU and is 86+% efficient, so I would infer that the gross heat output is 95+k btu/hr. The KA-6 is much bigger, with a gross output of 144k btu/hr, which translates to total theoretical capacity (including pick-up) of 960 s.f. of hot water radiation, net theoretical capacity of about 813 s.f. and a recommended load of 675 s.f. On a comparable basis, 95k btu/hr would translate to a total theoretical capacity of about 633 s.f. and net theoretical capacity of about 537 s.f.. I haven't found an LL recommended load.

A reasonable first step would be to add up your s.f. of installed radiation and assess any DHW load faced by the boiler to see whether the LL is able to carry the combined load. My initial concern would be that the LL might be too small, but if the oil boiler is oversized relative to the load that might not be the case.

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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 8:59 pm

KA4 perhaps?
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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 9:18 pm

Can You Keep the Oil Fired Boiler as a Back-Up if you called away from Home for an extended length of time? I don't think you can go wrong with taking a Good,Hard Look at the Leisure Line Of Equipment. The Backing that you get from the Owners,Flyer 5 and Mathaus,who are Active Members on this Board is unequalled ! No Bull! It's your money,have Faith in what you get for it....Welcome to the Coal Board! :up:
Remember,There's No Sight Like Anthracite !......Hambden Bob

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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 9:22 pm

Sorry,BigJohn,you've been around since 2008! I'm totally in "Welcoming The New Folks In"Mode and got carried away ! By the way,Nice Old Firehouse Pic! Near and always Dear to my Pathetic Heart! :dancing:
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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 9:43 pm

Pacowy
I will measure the sf of radiation. Before I had the coal stoker the oil burner never had a issue with keeping the heat up.So my guess is 122,000 is oversize.

Carbon 12
I didn't see a KA 4 on Keystokes site. That's why I was looking at the 6

Hambden Bob
The LL has the oil burner with it duel fuel and the Keystoker has a option for one. My thinking was to remove the current oil burner. Not a lot of space in these coal town house basements.
I am aware of LL and there service. I have two LL stoves running now. House and garage with no problems at all for years.

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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 10:03 pm

http://keystoker.com/new.php

scroll down on that page
Anthony

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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 10:13 pm

Anthony 7812
Thank you for that info. I didn't see that before Might be just the right one. That is what makes this forum great.
Thank you

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Post Sun. Jan. 26, 2014 10:14 pm

Ive been drooling over boilers as of late, glad I could help a little :D
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Post Mon. Jan. 27, 2014 9:34 am

No matter where you go,......there you are.

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Post Mon. Jan. 27, 2014 11:02 am

Over $6000. :shock: My KA-6 was $4500 in the summer- 3-4 years back.

Big John. Is your current set updoing the hot water also? You may want to go with the KA-6. It's been bullet proof for me so far. I'm very happy they did not have the KA- 4 when I was looking. It probably would not have been enough for me this year being as cold as it has been.

Boiler in basement of 4 year old modular (3500 square feet plus 1700 square foot unfinished basement that gets up to 76degrees from boiler radiation ;) )with good insulation and windows and doing the hot water. 7.5 tons a year. As they say.... your mileage may very!

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Post Mon. Jan. 27, 2014 11:07 am

I got my used, 4 year old KA6 last summer for $2000.00. I talked the guy down from $3000.00. His girlfriend didn't like the smell,.....outside! He was going to instal some sort of wood burning system. I bet he regrets selling the coal boiler now! :lol:
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