Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler
- CoalHeat
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That's strange. Must have been "field modified".
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I am very glad it was. Works perfectly!
-Don
-Don
Excellent work. The only real problem I had with my Yellow Flame was with the timer and the aquastat. Changed em both out for more modern stuff after they hassled me a couple of times.
That timer may look a little funky but if it works for you, keep it.
Maybe I've discovered why Momma keeps me around?!!??!!
Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.
That timer may look a little funky but if it works for you, keep it.
Maybe I've discovered why Momma keeps me around?!!??!!
Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
I was right, the blowers were not up to the task. Today in between plowing and sonwblowing I remove the box fan from behind the 80K heat exchanger and installed this blower I had lay'in around in the basement. It came out of a mobile home oil firnace, 550CFM. Now the garage heats up to the thermostat temp!
And, I think I'm gona hafta install a fire door with a window. I never get tired of look'in at those flames!
-Don
And, I think I'm gona hafta install a fire door with a window. I never get tired of look'in at those flames!
-Don
Here ya go...Lightning did that himself just a couple months ago.....StokerDon wrote:And, I think I'm gona hafta install a fire door with a window. I never get tired of look'in at those flames!
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I built mine with a small view window, but the stoker blows
around so much fly ash, it fogs over very quickly. I replaced it
with a small open hole I can peak through. Make sure you
wear sun glasses when staring at the fire. It will snow blind you
in no time.
around so much fly ash, it fogs over very quickly. I replaced it
with a small open hole I can peak through. Make sure you
wear sun glasses when staring at the fire. It will snow blind you
in no time.
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- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
I saw Lightning's door glass install, great idea. I has thinking of doing that with my Harman SF3500. With the Yellow Flame, the door is so small, and doesn't seal or latch, I was thinking removing the door and frame and making something that goes around the outside of the square that the current frame fits into.
That way I would get maximum veiwing and the glass would be further way from the fire.
-Don
That way I would get maximum veiwing and the glass would be further way from the fire.
-Don
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Hey Don, I am not sure how long the stoker had been running when you took those pictures of the fire, but there is a LOT of ash on the grate. Once the fire reaches a steady-state, you want to see more fire and less ash at the end of the grate. Think about it, if you are blowing air through ash what is it doing? -taking heat out of the boiler.
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- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Rob,
Understood, I haven't really been able to check it at full burn. With a stove or a furnace, you just crank up the thermostat, wait a half an hour or so, then look at the flame to see how much ash is at the end. With the boiler if you crank up the thermostat, the stoker just shuts off when the water temp hits 180. On this setup, even with the blowers on constantly the cycle only takes 5 to 10 minutes. I guess that means even though the two heatexchangers equal 130KBUT, the boiler is't working hard to supply heat to them. Do I need more of a load?
-Don
Understood, I haven't really been able to check it at full burn. With a stove or a furnace, you just crank up the thermostat, wait a half an hour or so, then look at the flame to see how much ash is at the end. With the boiler if you crank up the thermostat, the stoker just shuts off when the water temp hits 180. On this setup, even with the blowers on constantly the cycle only takes 5 to 10 minutes. I guess that means even though the two heatexchangers equal 130KBUT, the boiler is't working hard to supply heat to them. Do I need more of a load?
-Don
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Those heat exchangers are not getting close to a 130k btu/hr load if the boiler loafs along like that. Colder air and more airflow through the exchangers will increase the load.
Do you plan to fix the tankless coil? That would be an easy way to load the boiler.
For the time being, if you don't see any clinkers in the ash and there is a few inches of fire on the stoker by the end of a heat call, I wouldn't worry about it. When you get it to a more permanent state and are burning more coal, it will be easier to tune.
Do you plan to fix the tankless coil? That would be an easy way to load the boiler.
For the time being, if you don't see any clinkers in the ash and there is a few inches of fire on the stoker by the end of a heat call, I wouldn't worry about it. When you get it to a more permanent state and are burning more coal, it will be easier to tune.
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- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
I just went out and checked on the boiler, it was on a heat cycle, the temp was about 175. I was out there for a few minutes, when I look at the temp again, it was 170, dropping while the stoker was still running. That blower I installed yesterday has really changed the load on the boiler!
Feed rate adjustment;
The output side of the gearbox has six threaded holes starting near the center, spirilling out towards the edge. The hole closest to the center is the lowest feed rate, the one at the outer edge is the highest feed rate.
We will call the lowest feed rate hole 1 and the highest feed rate hole 6. I had it set on 3 and it seemed that the boiler was having trouble keeping up AND as Rob pointed out there was a good 5" or so of ash on the end of the grate. I moved up two steps to 5, I am waiting to see what that does.
Keep in mind that the linkage has a lot of ware. The large lever that the gearbox drives back and forth moves at least 1/4" before the grate starts to move. 5 is also the setting that was used by the previous owner.
-Don
Feed rate adjustment;
The output side of the gearbox has six threaded holes starting near the center, spirilling out towards the edge. The hole closest to the center is the lowest feed rate, the one at the outer edge is the highest feed rate.
We will call the lowest feed rate hole 1 and the highest feed rate hole 6. I had it set on 3 and it seemed that the boiler was having trouble keeping up AND as Rob pointed out there was a good 5" or so of ash on the end of the grate. I moved up two steps to 5, I am waiting to see what that does.
Keep in mind that the linkage has a lot of ware. The large lever that the gearbox drives back and forth moves at least 1/4" before the grate starts to move. 5 is also the setting that was used by the previous owner.
-Don
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OK, this is what we've got after an hour with the thermostat turned up all the way and after a good 12 minutes or so of a heat cycle. I took the photos as the water temp got to about 175 or so, just before the shuttoff point.
Flue temp gets to about 250 when on a heat cycle.
This feed rate may be slightly to high. Lit coal up to about 2" from the end of the grate. I will leave it for now and see how it goes.
-Don
Flue temp gets to about 250 when on a heat cycle.
This feed rate may be slightly to high. Lit coal up to about 2" from the end of the grate. I will leave it for now and see how it goes.
-Don
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That fire looks much better to me, but you will have to monitor things and see what kind of cycle times you get and if there is too much temperature overshoot. You can always feed less coal, but I would reduce the air as well.
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Rob,
I have been concerned about the amount of combustion air all along. I have the choke as far closed as it will go without bouncing off of the coupler. I think what I need to do is take the crapy sheetmetal screw out, drill and tap the blower housing to about 10-24, steal the choke off of the other stoker mech, do some grinding on the current choke so it fits better, mount the second choke plate on the top side of the blower. Doing this will give me the ability to choke down the combustion air to were it needs to be.
I'll do that in my spare time.
-Don
I have been concerned about the amount of combustion air all along. I have the choke as far closed as it will go without bouncing off of the coupler. I think what I need to do is take the crapy sheetmetal screw out, drill and tap the blower housing to about 10-24, steal the choke off of the other stoker mech, do some grinding on the current choke so it fits better, mount the second choke plate on the top side of the blower. Doing this will give me the ability to choke down the combustion air to were it needs to be.
I'll do that in my spare time.
-Don