A Boiler for This Old Dungeon With A Swimming Pool

Stoker Coal Boilers automatically feed the coal and have controls and pumps just like any conventions boiler. They are intended to be used as a primary heat and often have domestic hot water coils as an added bonus. They can be set up independently or in dual sytem with your existing oil/gas boiler. They can accommodate both hot water base board or steam plumbing.
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Carbon12
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Post Mon. Oct. 14, 2013 8:42 pm

@ Dalmationgirl61,.....seems like you could get a bus load of forum members to head your way and install the system for you! Lol! Just offer to supply beer and lodging and I'm sure you'll get volunteers!
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Post Mon. Oct. 14, 2013 9:30 pm

titleist1 wrote:i remember somebody on here heating their pool with their coal boiler. I can't remember who and didn't see anything promising in a quick search.

Anybody remember who that was and maybe they could add some insight on the load their pool adds?
Coal Fired Pool Heater

Heating Your Swimming Pool With Coal???

Hot Tub or Pool Heated by Coal???

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Post Mon. Oct. 14, 2013 10:12 pm

I think we should ask just how big the pool is...
This is not a regular kinda building...
Think a YMCA with a olympic sized pool...
I think she said 6000 sq ft per floor...
All concrete no insulation...
You could heat soak the building but at winter temps she sees...
Why do you think the back wall was buried by the former owner...
Earth berming...
The soil would only be 40* or so...
All those who have had a basement stove know how much heat goes into the ground...
Geothermal as in tappin' the hot springs would not be a bad idea if it is feasible...
Meet and greet NV style...
Smitty will be our tour guide but not driver...
I am not an engineer, train or otherwise!
I stay at a Holiday Inn at least once a year!
Most of all I do have common sense and a practical application of logic.
Oh, add humor, on the dry side, along with a wee bit 'o sarcasm.

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Post Mon. Oct. 14, 2013 10:40 pm

And meanwhile.....this is my heat solution for this winter. ;) 8-)
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Set at 750 watts or low power even. I know, I know....not supposed to have an extension cord on it. It gets hot even on low power.

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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 1:38 am

KLook wrote:Get outta there and get something normal!
I tried that, the neighbors asked me to leave, they said I was abby-normal :lol:

Larry
$200 for a cord of wood and probably close to $200 for electricity per month, and I'm not warm at all, so $550 per month with 3 times the area, plus being warm, I'll take it, especially if it includes a pool :D .

Carbon12
Sounds like a good idea! The local tavern is less than a block away, beers on me :cheers: . Not sure how many people we can get in the one room, but if you bring RV's there is plenty of parking on the tennis courts :lol: .

CapeCoaler
Its a big place, but not that big!

Measured the pool a little bit ago, 20' wide x 45' long, deep end is 8' deep x 20 of length, so 20 x 20 x 8 = 3200 cu ft. Shallow end is 25 feet long, starts at 8' depth and slopes up to 4' depth, so 25 x 20 x 8 = 4000 divided by 2 = 2000. So 3200 + 2000 = 5200 cu ft of water, so 5200 x 7.48 = 38896 gallons. I'll have to break out a pen and paper and try some of those equations in that pool heating post.

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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 2:28 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:1. Assume pool volume, G = 10,000 gallons 2. Assume 80F desired pool temp and 60F air temp. Delta T = 80 - 60 = 20F 3. BTU's per gallon x Delta T: 8.33 x 20 = 166.6 BTU's per gallon. BTU/Gal x Gallons (G): 166.6 x 10,000 gal = 1,666,000 Total BTU's. (Wow, seems like a lot!) 4. Assume I want to be able to warm the pool in two days of continuous operation = 48 hours. 5. Total BTUs / Hours: 1,666,000 / 48 = 34,708 BTU's per hour. 6. (BTU/Hr x 20%) + BTU/Hr: 34,708 x 0.20 = 6,941 BTU's 6,941 + 34,708 = 41,649 BTU's per hour.


This equation does not seem to work for an indoor pool, if indoor air temp is 80 degrees, and you want water 80 degrees, delta T is 0 so it does not take much energy to heat the water. Should delta T be based on outside air temp, or ground temp for an indoor pool? Remember this pool is 5' below grade.

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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 2:30 am

HGTV would have a blast with your place...
Late nights with the babies will twist your mind...
Thanks for the pool size...
Each floor is how big...
Ceiling height is 10 foot in the pool room and how high on floors 2/3...
You could stage your bitty burners like an apartment complex...
Three units each kicks in as it gets colder/adding more floors to be heated...
Use the KISS plan and all will work out...
I am not an engineer, train or otherwise!
I stay at a Holiday Inn at least once a year!
Most of all I do have common sense and a practical application of logic.
Oh, add humor, on the dry side, along with a wee bit 'o sarcasm.

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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 2:55 am

dalmationgirl
...figure delta at 5-7 degrees min.
40,000 gals of water would require approx 160 thous btu
...so (imo) 200,000 BTU dedicated to heat the pool
....thats considering 100% effeciency I think
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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 3:59 pm

Ideal spot and building to go into the sect business. Like the Shakers you could adopt the belief that "your work is a form of worship" which you are probably doing already.

There is evidence that you are a producer of great thoughts but unlike the politicians those thoughts have to be of a nature that people will pay money for to acquire.

So now we are down to a budget, that killer of personal as well as national dreams. How much you can spend will determine how elaborate a system can be installed. I think you need a lot more than a garden hose to get that pool operational. A bright spot is that you have come to a forum filled with experts on how not to spend money.

PS, Your figure on the output of the wood stove seems to be at 100 percent efficiency which is not the case. More like 50 to 60 percent.

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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 6:04 pm

Northern Tool Website. US Stoves wood/coal furnace. Relatively cheap and would be WAY better than the Creosote King being used now!

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_20 ... _200362037
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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 6:09 pm

No matter where you go,......there you are.

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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 6:20 pm

DS machines burns soft coal, apparently. Reasonably priced, as well.

http://www.heatingworldcresson.com/index.php?page ... Itemid=680
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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 6:22 pm

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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 6:34 pm

KLook wrote:And meanwhile.....this is my heat solution for this winter. ;) 8-)
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Just what am I looking at there?
-Larry

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Post Tue. Oct. 15, 2013 7:33 pm

It appears to be a small electric space heater in a fireplace! Lol!
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