Jim D.'S Stoker Boiler Install Thread

Stoker Coal Boilers automatically feed the coal and have controls and pumps just like any conventions boiler. They are intended to be used as a primary heat and often have domestic hot water coils as an added bonus. They can be set up independently or in dual sytem with your existing oil/gas boiler. They can accommodate both hot water base board or steam plumbing.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 10:38 am

Well this project just took a turn right straight down the shitter .... :mad: DAMN! DAMN! DAMN! DAMMMITTT!!!!!

My measurements were WRONG. Can't get more wrong!! Not one damn thing fits, except for the 3/4" fitting for the boiler drain. 1-1/2" is actually 1-1/4" .. WHAT THE *censored* IS THAT??? :mad3:

Gotta love plumbing - all measurements are in some secret code. UNBELIEVEABLE!! The I.D. of one pipe measures 1-7/16" ... so to me, that would mean 1-1/2" right? Since it's closer to that size??? NOPE!! WRONG!! That's too *censored* easy ...

To top it all off, I had to go to the Registry yesterday .... talk about getting your blood pressure up there!! Take a number, wait wait wait .... only to be told you need to fill out these 2 forms ...and take ANOTHER number!!! Are you SHITTIN me????

More money down the toilet to ship it all back. Of course, I burned all the boxes ... so had to piece together something out of scraps of cardboard using all my damn packing tape. I'll tell ya .... a plumber I am NOT!!! :wtf: :rambo2:
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greater confidence than an armed man."

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Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert
Location: Stillwater, New Jersey

Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 11:01 am

I hear ya!!!
I'm working on my parts list to finally plumb the radiator in the kitchen. It looks nice sitting there...but doesn't provide any heat! :? :?
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Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 11:20 am

SMITTY wrote:Gotta love plumbing - all measurements are in some secret code.
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When you turn your boiler on -Does it return the favor?
I have finally lost my mind. Don't bother to return it. It wasn't working properly anyway!

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Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 11:20 am

Wish I had something magic to say that would help John, BUT--NOT-- :(
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Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert
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Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 11:34 am

The main issue with plumbing is the pipe thread thing, causes a lot of aggravation. :mad:
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Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 11:46 am

I know this is too late, but the pipe measurements are in that chart on page 2 of this thread.

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Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
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Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 11:56 am

Yea, some guy who disappeared all summer posted that. :D
Heating a circa 1832 farmhouse with a Harman Magnafire Mark I & a 1959 EFM 350 (heating DHW).
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (SOLD!)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 12:08 pm

According to that chart, a measurement of 1.4375 (1-7/16") ... which is closest to 1.315" on that chart = 1" pipe - STILL WRONG for my application. :wtf:

Also, I have a plug that's not matching up to anything on that chart. I'm just going to use the drain valve off my air compressor, because I KNOW for a FACT that will fit. :roll:

Just re-ordered everything on my list at 1-1/4", except that funky backordered fitting, which I eliminated by using a 90° street L. Should be here tomorrow! :o We'll see ...

WHAT A ROYAL PAIN IN THE ASS!! :bang:
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert
Location: Stillwater, New Jersey

Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 12:11 pm

The chart is probably wrong, all in an effort to keep it a mystery!
Heating a circa 1832 farmhouse with a Harman Magnafire Mark I & a 1959 EFM 350 (heating DHW).
100% Oil Free!
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (SOLD!)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 12:17 pm

What really sucks is my decision to go to 1-1/2" was the result of me over-analyzing & second-guessing myself. If I had just went with my gut, I'd have been all set ... and $40 richer ... :mad:
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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Baseburners & Antiques: Sears Signal Oak 15 & Andes Kitchen Range
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert
Location: Stillwater, New Jersey

Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 12:21 pm

The main piping on the EFM is 1 1/2".....I think....
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Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 12:25 pm

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ansi-steel-pipe ... d_305.html

That is the reference I have used in the past. Somewhere I have a book that talks about how to account for thread make-up, etc. I don't do enough work with threaded pipe to be fast with it, so I normally use copper (assuming the budget allows for it).

If you are unsure about stuff like this, feel free to ask.

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Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 12:29 pm

Tapered pipe threads can be a PITA. A old machinist I worked with before I got out of trade school explained pipe threads to me, he said that they are like a cork in a tapered hole. This makes life easier when you are running pipe because the pipe starts easily into a fitting even if its a little misaligned.

To measure the size of a unknown internal pipe thread measure the bottom of the hole this will give you a rough idea of the size of the hole that was made for the pipe tap. The bottom is measured because the tap cuts threads AND it also takes the cylindrical hole and makes it a tapered hole so it will be closer to the original size at the bottom. Now that you have measured the size of the bottom of the hole you need to look at your tapered pipe thread chart you will need to remember that your measurement will be different but close to a drill size that is listed on the chart. http://engineersedge.com/manufacturing/pipe-tap-d ... -chart.htm . Another "trick" is to measure the thread in the hole but, this is by no means a way of defining pipe size because several sizes use the same number of threads per inch.

I hope this helps.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 12:31 pm

Thanks for the pointers guys.

Rob, I'm using copper.

I'm just going by the thread size (or what I THOUGHT was the thread size ... dammit! :doh: ) on the boiler itself to a copper fitting - female for the return and male for the supply.

1-1/4" should be more than enough to carry the BTU's from this thing. I see a "110" painted on the unit ... maybe meaning 110k btu's? Who knows ... but 1-1/4" is what I'm goin' with. ;)
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The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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Post Wed. Oct. 23, 2013 1:20 pm

SMITTY wrote:To top it all off I just wasted half the day driving around for supplies. NOBODY has ANY part of them. Not one damn thing!! No 1.5" copper .... no temp sensor ... nothing! This is the #1 reason I buy everything online.
Which is the #1 reason we can't find anything locally. First WalMart drove most of the local guys out of business, then Amazon finished the job. I know, I know -- I do the same thing. The well-stocked places around here are for the trade only, and usually won't sell to you unless you are licensed. I suppose that's so they don't get into hours of explaining to people like me what size pipe fittings I need. Only way I could do most plumbing, is if I could put the stuff together with duct tape. :P
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