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Post by McGiever » Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 12:15 am

Timer is seldom needed...summer DHW is possibly the case for timer


 
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Post by Rob R. » Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 3:17 am

I think this is the first install I have seen with the boiler piping outside. You better insulate the heck out of that pipe.

How big is the home? That is a huge bank of circulators.

 
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Post by ziggy87 » Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 11:58 am

Rob R. wrote:
Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 3:17 am
I think this is the first install I have seen with the boiler piping outside. You better insulate the heck out of that pipe.

How big is the home? That is a huge bank of circulators.
My house is 3200 sq ft 1st floor. With the basement we are 6400 roughly. I have every room in the house zoned off, so each room has a zone. There are 8 zones total for heat and 2 zones for indirect water heaters. We have a duplex and my parents live next to us. Everything will be insulated. It is only about a 18' run outside so it is not too long.

 
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Post by StokerDon » Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 12:04 pm

NICE! The new boiler installs are starting!

I wouldn't worry about getting a timer, you don't need one on an AA.

At the top of those pipes above the boiler you should have a way for air to get out of the system. With all that piping you also need a good power purge set up to get the air out of the system when you fill it. Remember, the pump can't pump air, only water.

-Don

 
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Post by ziggy87 » Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 12:13 pm

StokerDon wrote:
Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 12:04 pm
NICE! The new boiler installs are starting!

I wouldn't worry about getting a timer, you don't need one on an AA.

At the top of those pipes above the boiler you should have a way for air to get out of the system. With all that piping you also need a good power purge set up to get the air out of the system when you fill it. Remember, the pump can't pump air, only water.

-Don
Don in hind sight yes I should have put a vent at the top of the pipe. I did put a purge valve inside at pellet boiler to power purge. We were able to purge the system out yesterday, so I think that I am good. I will find out by the end out the week.

Thank you for the input on the timer. I think with that coming from McGiever as well I am going to hold off on installing one.

I am hoping to have electric run by the end of the week and fire off next Saturday if things go as planned.

 
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Post by StokerDon » Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 1:10 pm

OK, we will be standing by for launch next Saturday!

Good to see you are using black iron pipe. The AA will over shoot to very high, PEX hurting, temperatures. If you have a bypass installed they won't be as bad. Also, if you are running the pump 24/7 you won't have much of an overshoot.

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Post by Holdencoal » Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 1:58 pm

I don’t see any air release valves. As your pumps run they create cavitation in the media which generates small air bubbles at pocket together.


 
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Post by Rob R. » Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 3:25 pm

ziggy87 wrote:
Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 11:58 am
My house is 3200 sq ft 1st floor. With the basement we are 6400 roughly. I have every room in the house zoned off, so each room has a zone. There are 8 zones total for heat and 2 zones for indirect water heaters. We have a duplex and my parents live next to us. Everything will be insulated. It is only about a 18' run outside so it is not too long.
What type of pipe insulation are you going to use for the outside run?

 
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Post by ziggy87 » Mon. Sep. 14, 2020 5:53 pm

Holdencoal wrote:
Sun. Sep. 13, 2020 1:58 pm
I don’t see any air release valves. As your pumps run they create cavitation in the media which generates small air bubbles at pocket together.
There is an air scoop on the pellet boiler and there is and air vent above the coil plate.
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What type of pipe insulation are you going to use for the outside run?
Rob I am going to use fiberglass and then I have heavy duty electrical tape to wrap around it. I want to see it I can double insulate it by putting a piece of 2" over the 1-1/4" insulation.

 
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Post by Lightning » Mon. Sep. 14, 2020 6:31 pm

Wow Ziggy, no way to get those lines under ground?

 
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Post by ziggy87 » Mon. Sep. 14, 2020 8:30 pm

Lightning wrote:
Mon. Sep. 14, 2020 6:31 pm
Wow Ziggy, no way to get those lines under ground?
I wish but, I am not going to attempt it. It would have only been a 10' run if would have gone in the front of the house, but to much stuff going on. We have superior walls, so going through the foundation was not at option. That and we are on a stone field where the house is located. We could not get the basement to the level we wanted because of how hard the digging was. I could have had a quarry here for a week.

 
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Post by ziggy87 » Tue. Sep. 15, 2020 11:45 am

Got my coal delivered today from Lehigh. 22.41 tons. Driver did a great job keeping the coal on the trap. Things went a lot better than I thought they would.

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Post by lzaharis » Tue. Sep. 15, 2020 11:44 pm

Bite the bullet and purchase a heavy water proof tarp to cover the pile ziggy, the blue ones leak.

 
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Post by ziggy87 » Wed. Sep. 16, 2020 10:06 pm

lzaharis wrote:
Tue. Sep. 15, 2020 11:44 pm
Bite the bullet and purchase a heavy water proof tarp to cover the pile ziggy, the blue ones leak.
I have some rubber roofing to cover the pile with. I hope to get a shipping container for coal storage next spring.

 
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Post by ziggy87 » Thu. Sep. 24, 2020 10:20 pm

Well no progress this week. Started my new job with a local HVAC company. They are an EFM dealer which is nice. Actually got to go look at a EFM DF520 this week that someone called in about. They usually do not work on stockers, but that might change with me being there.
Finished up my last boiler install that I had on the books. Put in a Weil McLain Aquabalance 155 combi. So hopefully next week I will have time to finish up my Axeman.

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