Garage build, heating questions.

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Post By: lincolnmania » Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 2:48 pm

i'll run the cables as i glue the conduit together, worked for me in the past with other projects.

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Post By: lincolnmania » Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 8:48 pm

should i make 2 runs of 14/2 uf from the house for the circulator pumps in the garage loop? the 250 foot roll of uf cable is cheaper than buying thhn and conduit.

i got some 18/8 thermostat wire coming too, i plan on putting two runs of that in conduit.

i'm assuming if i don't have the connection to the house that then i would need a seperate zone relay for the garage?

got a new taco 007 e new on ebay for 80 dollars shipped. another score!

i ordered another one of Dan Holomans books tonite. Primary-Secondary Pumping Made Easy!

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Post By: CapeCoaler » Mon. Apr. 15, 2019 8:59 am

The point of 1" conduit is to have room to pull the cable...
NEC also specs the % of wire fill based on type of wire...
Conduit is always better...
Because you can replace a shorted wire or add a circuit...
Direct bury...
Ya gotta dig it up...
In the middle of winter...

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Post By: lincolnmania » Mon. Apr. 15, 2019 9:28 am

everything will be in conduit except the runs of 14/2 uf for the pump. i got a 250 foot roll for 49 bucks.
finding a lot of surplus stuff online for much less than retail. Thank goodness for online shopping.....back in the day dad and i would drive all over the state for bargains lol.

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Post By: lzaharis » Mon. Apr. 15, 2019 10:03 am

CAble lube is your friend and if you make the conduit joints all at once you will be able to pull the 0-2 conductor through it in a couple minutes of tugging as the cable lube will slick up the conduit as it is pulled through it. It also reduces any friction and possible thinning of the insulating sheath around the 2-0 conductor. This is true for all wires too.

Install the circulators conductor wire in conduit you will not regret doing that as you may have to pull it and replace it someday.
About the PVC conduit a good Greenlee tape snake and a Greenlee kellums clamp will pay for itself you will save a lot of time if you glue the joints together away from the trench as you will be able to quickly spin the PVC to get it to melt and seat in the other bell joint.

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Post By: lincolnmania » Mon. Apr. 15, 2019 10:16 am

the insulated pipe and the 1/2" pex and the manifold will be here friday.
going to day to pick up a bunch of conduit.

also fixing the rubble basement wall by the breaker panel. electrician coming thursday to install 200 amp service. got the loose stuff knocked off and the mud washed off and i put a coating of portland paint on everything to get ready to start filling the voids as soon as it stops raining.

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Post By: lincolnmania » Mon. Apr. 15, 2019 8:13 pm

the garage will be about 12 foot from the back porch, if i ever need to run any future wiring i can run it out from the porch. the reason i am trenching to the basement is so i can get below the frost line with the plumbing, also closer to the electrical service. the back 21 foot of the house is over a crawl space, 7 foot of that is the original addition and it's real tight for a 7x12 area.

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Post By: lincolnmania » Wed. Apr. 17, 2019 7:18 pm

the manifold for pex-al-pex is here, the 1/2" pex-al-pex is here, i picked up conduit and fittings last night, also got an electrical panel for the shop.

the crew expects to start 4/25 and have the roof and the walls on 4/26. that gives me 4/27 and 4/28 to install the pex. then they come back 4/29 and finish the garage.

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