As I said before $4 heating oil
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I will shut the boiler down once this hopper runs out. It costs me $30-35/mo to run the 80 gal electric tank. I burn about 25-30#/day coal maintaining hotwater and keeping boiler lit. It does not make sense to keep it going over the summer. Oil boiler uses ~30-40gal a month keeping the water hot
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Got about 250 gallon in a 1000 gal underground tank. Only use it for backup but sometimes in shoulder season where you only need heat for an hour on a chilly morning. No sense firing up the k-2 just for that. My other backup heat source is a wood stove i use if i have time. Got more wood laying around than i know what to do with ,so thats an incentive to use that.
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Same here Qtown, plus i like a vacation from fiddling with ashes not to mention its (the K-2) a heat monster under my kitchen i can do without in summer. I reduced my water heating cost to about $10 a month with a HPWH so i have to take advantage of that.Qtown1835 wrote: ↑Fri. Apr. 27, 2018 12:47 pmI will shut the boiler down once this hopper runs out. It costs me $30-35/mo to run the 80 gal electric tank. I burn about 25-30#/day coal maintaining hotwater and keeping boiler lit. It does not make sense to keep it going over the summer. Oil boiler uses ~30-40gal a month keeping the water hot
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Rob, what happened to the heat pump?
The one thing that this article misses is that in the future more of
our electricity will be decentralized to many small producers and
even single houses with their own electric supply. Many more
will not be tied to the grid at all.
The companies tried to get the nuclear and coal plants into the
base rate for the same reason , to be able to sell the more costly
electric in the rate tariff and raise the prices for all electric. They
did not succeed .
BigBarney
our electricity will be decentralized to many small producers and
even single houses with their own electric supply. Many more
will not be tied to the grid at all.
The companies tried to get the nuclear and coal plants into the
base rate for the same reason , to be able to sell the more costly
electric in the rate tariff and raise the prices for all electric. They
did not succeed .
BigBarney
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Quotes directly from the ISO report...
"As we saw in Power Trends 2016, year-over-year growth in the overall usage of electric
energy from New York’s bulk electric system continues to be flat or to decline slightly over the
next decade."
" where the expansion of clean energy
resources is unable to reach downstate load centers, suppressing upstate wholesale prices
to the point where the economic viability of generation needed for reliability is jeopardized."
" it will deliver energy produced by
homeowners and businesses that can support local system needs,
whether on “blue-sky” days with moderate energy demand or in
times of constraints and severe weather."
"Distributed solar resources and other behind-the-meter resources are also
reducing demand for power from the bulk electric system as consumers install on-site systems
to meet some portion of their electricity needs."
All these quotes point to lower demand and more distributed energy in the future and
the retirement of many of the older fossil fuel plants , being replaced by solar and wind.
There is no turning back the future is here. This report verifies the change is in the air ,
wind and sunshine , leaving fossil fuels behind in power production.
A report this large requires a lot of study to really understand , and it is very similar to
the PMJ report , since they are the largest ISO.
BigBarney
"As we saw in Power Trends 2016, year-over-year growth in the overall usage of electric
energy from New York’s bulk electric system continues to be flat or to decline slightly over the
next decade."
" where the expansion of clean energy
resources is unable to reach downstate load centers, suppressing upstate wholesale prices
to the point where the economic viability of generation needed for reliability is jeopardized."
" it will deliver energy produced by
homeowners and businesses that can support local system needs,
whether on “blue-sky” days with moderate energy demand or in
times of constraints and severe weather."
"Distributed solar resources and other behind-the-meter resources are also
reducing demand for power from the bulk electric system as consumers install on-site systems
to meet some portion of their electricity needs."
All these quotes point to lower demand and more distributed energy in the future and
the retirement of many of the older fossil fuel plants , being replaced by solar and wind.
There is no turning back the future is here. This report verifies the change is in the air ,
wind and sunshine , leaving fossil fuels behind in power production.
A report this large requires a lot of study to really understand , and it is very similar to
the PMJ report , since they are the largest ISO.
BigBarney
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A little thread drift here. Take your pick:
https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Ei ... rging.html
Got coal? Henry Hub prices soaring today as todays bet is Iran. Who knows tomorrow? I got 8 chances to be right. Please note I did not stay in a HIE last night nor am I a commodity dealer but I did play at OTB once.
https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Ei ... rging.html
Got coal? Henry Hub prices soaring today as todays bet is Iran. Who knows tomorrow? I got 8 chances to be right. Please note I did not stay in a HIE last night nor am I a commodity dealer but I did play at OTB once.
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So remember my basis of NYSERDA pricing. IF you are paying less then fine but the point is is that if the NYSERDA guide goes up 19% your price will increase the same amount. What do the experts say. Let's look at a 6 months ago expert price guide ...
https://community.oilprice.com/topic/1966-wall-st ... -75-brent/
Yep, no one was even close to right then or now. The point of all this is do not trust HO prices for the near future. Got coal?
You have to figure in the BB factor where he converts everyone to battery cars and nobody needs oil..... haahahahahha. I am a riot.
https://community.oilprice.com/topic/1966-wall-st ... -75-brent/
Yep, no one was even close to right then or now. The point of all this is do not trust HO prices for the near future. Got coal?
You have to figure in the BB factor where he converts everyone to battery cars and nobody needs oil..... haahahahahha. I am a riot.
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I remember you being absolutely right in predicting the price drop well ahead of time. Good thing you are not an "expert", which makes your prediction more reliable.coalnewbie wrote: ↑Mon. May. 07, 2018 5:20 amYep, no one was even close to right then or now. The point of all this is do not trust HO prices for the near future. Got coal?
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I did pick Justify and made $100. If you want to pick a horse race winner ask FF or me. You can often just see a horse that is set to win as they parade pre race. Picking oil prices is easy. Just ignore the experts and ask someone on this coal board (as usual).