Fuel oil used for electricity during the cold snap
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This was posted on the VFDA (Vermont Fuel Dealers Assn.) email that I receive. Thought you guys might find it interesting. I can't seem to link to anything on their website so here is the paragraph...
"Distillate to the Rescue Fuel dealers are providing both heat and electricity to the Northeast this winter. Heating oil has been critical to ensuring the electric grid has enough power, according to ISO-NE. New England power generators (including peaking plants in Vermont) used 84 million gallons of heating oil between December 25th and January 9th. This is about the same amount of residential heating oil sold in Vermont during an entire year. That's right. New England electric utilities needed a year's supply of Vermont's heating oil to ensure we had enough electricity FOR TWO WEEKS. On some days this winter, as much as one-third of the region's power was generated from heating oil. Now Congress wants to know more. NEFI reports that the Senate Energy Committee recently held a hearing to examine the impact of recent weather events on the power system in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic. "
"Distillate to the Rescue Fuel dealers are providing both heat and electricity to the Northeast this winter. Heating oil has been critical to ensuring the electric grid has enough power, according to ISO-NE. New England power generators (including peaking plants in Vermont) used 84 million gallons of heating oil between December 25th and January 9th. This is about the same amount of residential heating oil sold in Vermont during an entire year. That's right. New England electric utilities needed a year's supply of Vermont's heating oil to ensure we had enough electricity FOR TWO WEEKS. On some days this winter, as much as one-third of the region's power was generated from heating oil. Now Congress wants to know more. NEFI reports that the Senate Energy Committee recently held a hearing to examine the impact of recent weather events on the power system in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic. "
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I guess it is a good thing the fuel was available and those plants are still ready for the call to action. I am curious if these plants normally run on NG and had to switch to fuel.
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So those little VT eco lunies, who were prattling and preaning about how they have gone solar and put in 120MW of solar power are now being exposed. In these dark dismal days all they have got is a load of panels that need the ice cleaning off and damage repaired and enough power to run their cell phones. Plenty of spare juice to run those electric cars.
I have posted before on this one. You can't fix stupidity. The real tragedy is the scenery damage to that beautiful state.
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Yep, they try to get homeowners to cut their electric use, then they make electric cars which require fuel oil to be used to generate it. Makes sense to somebody, not me.
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Yes, but do you look cool when you make your u tube video of the $100,000 of stuff you bought to get it going. However, the cocktail set is getting bored as a lot of them have this c rap also. We should be paying attention to the guy that bought an old WM for next to nothing and his house is at 75* in all conditions for much less than the interest payments on the solar stuff..
The backup oil generation did exactly what it is supposed to.
The NE area is short of base capacity so in times of stress they
are reliant on oil , because of a shortage of natural gas .
There are arguments for more natural gas pipelines , but there
is a lot of resistance .
The pjm power grid is where you buy or sell electric . The companies
balance their cost of production to the wholesale price and make
determinations on whether to be a buyer or seller. A good read to
understand this is here....
http://www.pjm.com/about-pjm/learning-center/pric ... icker.aspx
BigBarney
The NE area is short of base capacity so in times of stress they
are reliant on oil , because of a shortage of natural gas .
There are arguments for more natural gas pipelines , but there
is a lot of resistance .
The pjm power grid is where you buy or sell electric . The companies
balance their cost of production to the wholesale price and make
determinations on whether to be a buyer or seller. A good read to
understand this is here....
http://www.pjm.com/about-pjm/learning-center/pric ... icker.aspx
BigBarney
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Does not this same event occur for summertime A/C peaks?
Yes...
If you have time to watch this video it will explain the summer peak
which is larger than the winter peak. It explains the pricing and the
adjustments to supply and how their added by the utilities .
It talks about the same type of shortfall in 2014 in New England.
This summer peak can be supplied with solar panels and is very
economical when the power value spikes to large value.
The power cost in the last hour has gone up by $5-6 from 22/KWHr
to 27-28 a 5/25= 20% increase , the power price could go up by many
multiples on high demand days. PJM is the largest grid trader in the
world so it is the most stable. I have seen electric at 550/KWHr which
is 20 times the current rate. You can click on the companies in the
previous post to see the current rate and it will move with demand.
BigBarney
If you have time to watch this video it will explain the summer peak
which is larger than the winter peak. It explains the pricing and the
adjustments to supply and how their added by the utilities .
It talks about the same type of shortfall in 2014 in New England.
This summer peak can be supplied with solar panels and is very
economical when the power value spikes to large value.
The power cost in the last hour has gone up by $5-6 from 22/KWHr
to 27-28 a 5/25= 20% increase , the power price could go up by many
multiples on high demand days. PJM is the largest grid trader in the
world so it is the most stable. I have seen electric at 550/KWHr which
is 20 times the current rate. You can click on the companies in the
previous post to see the current rate and it will move with demand.
BigBarney
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Yawn, so BB, this follows the laws of supply and demand. That can be distorted in the short term by pols seeking votes but always applies in the long term. So solar/wind is useless in the dips. Gas and oil are short as is nuclear. Hmm, so let's get those electric cars off the road and import more gasoline that there is plenty of. Finally, open more coal power stations. See how easy solutions are when your not blind.
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Hearing lately that the US is now a EXPORTER of oil bases fuels...not Importer, if that matters any.
I doubt that we stopped importing though. Big Oil Co. would get upset.
I doubt that we stopped importing though. Big Oil Co. would get upset.
Get more electric cars on the road and use that low cost electric at
night.
If we import gasoline the price at the pump will go up , we have
enough oil , but no company would build new refinery capacity
now except for small upgrades. The last large refinery was built
in 1977 , over 40 years ago,that's how far forward they look at
demand. In total in 40+ years they barely equaled that 200,000
barrel refinery.
BigBarney
night.
If we import gasoline the price at the pump will go up , we have
enough oil , but no company would build new refinery capacity
now except for small upgrades. The last large refinery was built
in 1977 , over 40 years ago,that's how far forward they look at
demand. In total in 40+ years they barely equaled that 200,000
barrel refinery.
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BB the biggest gas refinery in the world is in India and they are welcome to the pollution. Supertankers of gas are in the ocean right now and arbitrage houses hovering over computers will anticipate demand and leap if a fraction of a cent more can be made somewhere else.. Gasoline is ubiquitous and there is plenty of it. Not a problem. With electricity it is not so simple.
If you watch the videos you will understand.
Electric is more local because of transmission ability.
Some electricity in NY comes from Ontario Hydro when it
is economical , utilities buy when less than their costs ,
the three grids in the US have limited ability
to interconnect ,and for safety they are mostly not connected.
BigBarney
Electric is more local because of transmission ability.
Some electricity in NY comes from Ontario Hydro when it
is economical , utilities buy when less than their costs ,
the three grids in the US have limited ability
to interconnect ,and for safety they are mostly not connected.
BigBarney
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Using heating oil seems to me not true. All large heating plants in my experience use heavy no. 6 oil, what is left of crude after refining.
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My coal stove & my coal boiler are savings lots of energy... my stove uses absolutely no electric & my boiler uses very marginal electric to heat 3 buildings & heat hot water for 2 houses.
By burning coal,i have done more than my share of keeping the electrical demand on the power grid low.
By burning coal,i have done more than my share of keeping the electrical demand on the power grid low.