Fuel oil used for electricity during the cold snap

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Post By: David... » Wed. Feb. 14, 2018 8:25 am

Brayton point closed.

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Post By: BigBarney » Wed. Feb. 14, 2018 10:25 pm

All inefficient power plants are on the shutdown lists. There are many on the

list for 2018 forward.


" That mix must and will change as the cost of keeping aging coal fired plants open will continue to escalate, making renewables the only competitive option — even in West “By God” Virginia."


https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/12/even-west-go ... companies/

They tried to unload this plant on the ratepayers but were thwarted.


Bloomberg article...

Even natural gas at low rates can' t compete...in some markets....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-1 ... ity%20Dive


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Post By: windyhill4.2 » Wed. Feb. 14, 2018 10:29 pm

BB, if you are so set against coal & so freaking nuts over batteries.....

WHY ON EARTH AREN'T YOU ON THE BATTERY FORUM ???


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Post By: BigBarney » Wed. Feb. 14, 2018 11:13 pm

I use Bit coal for heat because its efficient and relatively inexpensive . Been doing it

for over 40 years and haven't found a replacement.

Batteries are now coming into common usage and will be the key to make what was

otherwise unusable energy a valuable commodity . Some utilities now have excess

power and have to pay other utilities to take the excess power , but if storage was available

they would use this power in peak time periods , at a premium price.

You will see a major change in the power industry mix in the future because of new and

better technology . These are disruptive technology and will kill some industries and make

others flourish.

This topic is on electricity not coal , and how best to provide it in peak demand.


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Post By: CoalJockey » Thu. Feb. 15, 2018 6:34 am

Everyone keep in mind when your electric bill climbs... ya heard it here first.

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Post By: coalnewbie » Thu. Feb. 15, 2018 7:18 am

Nah CJ , I heard it from Germany first who are now mostly solar and their electric rates have now quadrupled. This is having a profound effect on the competitiveness of Ge products.

If your wealth depends on manufactured products then cheap energy is the cornerstone.


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Post By: David... » Thu. Feb. 15, 2018 8:26 am

Germany still has a lot of coal in their mix for electricity.

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Post By: coalnewbie » Thu. Feb. 15, 2018 9:06 am

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-1 ... -much-coal

Yep, and even they realize coal is just great and is necessary. However, being lead by an idiot liberal they are trying hard to change. Energy prices have still skyrocketed

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Post By: BigBarney » Thu. Feb. 15, 2018 9:59 am

Utilities are replacing these old fossil fuel plants as quickly as possible but

the consumer rate has to be kept stable. They have to write off the cost

of these large capital investments , some of which have a decade or more

of life , but are obsolete , being replaced by non fuel power plants , with

battery storage.

Energy prices will not skyrocket but slowly increase as new plants come

online , the utility commissions in the states will control that.


https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/showt ... ?t=ptb0810


As can be seen in this chart the cost (inflation adjusted) of electric is now

less than 1960 prices.

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