Half of the houses in my town are separated by merely a driveway and might have 14,000 ft lots, well a couple folks decided to install OWB's along their abutting back property lines. Should have heard the fallout during a few town meetings! One ordinance was a taller flue pipe...didn't help much. I think much of the problem is what goes in the load door. Big difference between a 30 ft. tall house chimney and an eight ft. tall smoke stack in the back yard.Sunny Boy wrote:They've been banned by many villages around here long before NYS started clamping down. And certified, or not, they won't allow any type of OWB within the village limits.
Paul
EPA Announcement - EPA Banning Outdoor Wood Furnaces
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MA,
Those must have been quite the meetings ! Talk about a "heated topic".
I've seen some OWB outside of town that laid down smoke screens that could rival a WWII PT boat.
Paul
Those must have been quite the meetings ! Talk about a "heated topic".
I've seen some OWB outside of town that laid down smoke screens that could rival a WWII PT boat.
Paul
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I think the outcome was "X" amount of feet from any dwelling and with an eight ft. stack...I kinda' lost track.Sunny Boy wrote:MA,
Those must have been quite the meetings ! Talk about a "heated topic".
I've seen some OWB outside of town that laid down smoke screens that could rival a WWII PT boat.
Paul
My neighbors must think I heat with electric or nuclear and windows that won't close properly
.....one stopped by a few weeks ago and asked about my winter window stat's...nothing to see here keep moving
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So what? If they wanted to really clamp down on emissions from wood burning appliances then they would regulate the harvest or sale of firewood. As far as coal goes all that is needed is shut down the mines. If they want it they will have it. We are powerless.
Now IF I wanted a wood burning heater I would probably build it, an nobody could stop me from doing so.
Now IF I wanted a wood burning heater I would probably build it, an nobody could stop me from doing so.
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It's all getting scary..........Would anyone put it past the epa to put up satelites scanning the entire continental US for CO emissions at some point in the future? Just remember they still want a full blown "cap&trade" program which would enable them to harvest even more $ from industry and private sources. It's not capitalism anymore. Socialism is here.carlherrnstein wrote:So what? If they wanted to really clamp down on emissions from wood burning appliances then they would regulate the harvest or sale of firewood. As far as coal goes all that is needed is shut down the mines. If they want it they will have it. We are powerless.
Now IF I wanted a wood burning heater I would probably build it, an nobody could stop me from doing so.
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Well, they are banning models that don't meet their specifications....LOLoilman wrote:They are not banning anything...........they all have to be Emission certified, that's all. This has been law in New York for 3 years.
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Farm bureaus from almost every state are right now fighting the clean water act.The act reads that the EPA has control over navigable waters.Thats pretty plain,waters you can navigate in.Like rivers or lakes.They want to drop the word navigable,and just leave it with waters.That would give them the right to come in and fine a land owner for a ditch a pond or what ever.If you are not a farmer this still effects you because run of from your roofs and drive ways would be under their control.Can anyone see where this is going?This is an unelected agency,that has basically gone power hungry.
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We had that here in town. Couldn't touch "vernal pools", any depression that could hold water after a rain. Pretty stupid and didn't last long. Not sure what the purpose was, perhaps save the mosquitoes?
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================================================================================================Sunny Boy wrote:MA,
Those must have been quite the meetings ! Talk about a "heated topic".
I've seen some OWB outside of town that laid down smoke screens that could rival a WWII PT boat.
Paul
The first and last OWB that was parke inside the city limits of
Geneva, New York met the same fate as that entire portion of the
neighborhood was covered in smoke and the Geneva city council
banned them. The City and Town of Ithaca, New York has also banned them.
If these OWB manufacturers do not invest in water scrubbers for thier flue gasses
they will be driven out of business and have no one to blame but themselves.
The water flue gas scrubbers would be easy enough to add for retrofits and to even build
into new units(not that I will ever burn wood again).
The more pressing issue for them is the design or lack thereof and not using the european
mass heater(russian stove/Finnish stove design) as a more improved method of burning using
longer combustion passages that burn up all the smoke.
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That doesn't stop people from burning green wood and garbage in them...or over-sizing the boiler to get longer burn times.lzaharis wrote:The more pressing issue for them is the design or lack thereof and not using the european mass heater(russian stove/Finnish stove design) as a more improved method of burning using longer combustion passages that burn up all the smoke.