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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 10:53 pm

EPA has proposed regulations to eliminate 80% of wood burner stoves in the US (production). Has anyone heard about these new regulations ? Will this put wood stove manufacturers out of work ? And will the EPA come after coal stoves manufacturers next ? This informations comes from a guest who was on Hannity tonight. When will all this end ?

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Post Wed. Feb. 26, 2014 11:22 pm

This government is going to have to pry quite a few things from MY COLD, DEAD HANDS.

The hell with their STUPID ASSED REGULATIONS.

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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 11:03 am

They can't collect taxes on cordwood. They can on pellets.

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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 11:08 am

coaledsweat wrote:They can't collect taxes on cordwood. They can on pellets.
DING, DING, DING we have a winner.

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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 3:01 pm

Smitty,
I am with you. Enough already with all these regulations - less government involvement is what we need today. Kevin.


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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 4:49 pm

It's not an easy question and it's not as simple as naming big government as a villain. Just try to breathe in some areas in the winter, and you know that dirty wood stoves are a problem that needs solving. A number of large cities, and even whole states, are pushing for a solution. Unfortunately it is very difficult to solve. I heard an expert the other day saying that current regulations are about as clean as the stoves are ever going to get. Stoves with secondary-burn technology, when used properly with dry wood, are pretty clean. But of course many people DON'T use them properly and DON'T burn dry wood. The proposed new regulations, he said, will force stove makers to add catalysts to the stoves because that will be the only way to make them clean enough. Then when the catalysts wear out, people will remove them and not spend the big bucks to replace them, and the new clean stove will suddenly be dirtier than current technology.

So there is a real problem, and the EPA is being pushed to solve it, but most likely there IS no fair and viable solution short of ticketing individual offenders who burn irresponsibly. And who is going to do THAT -- who is going to pull the only affordable source of heat out of a poor person's house in the middle of winter?

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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 8:18 pm

Just like guns .. we can just build our own ...

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Post Fri. Feb. 28, 2014 11:03 pm

rberq wrote: .... And who is going to do THAT -- who is going to pull the only affordable source of heat out of a poor person's house in the middle of winter?
Everyone knows the answer to that Rberq - THE GOVERNMENT. They'll just blame it on Republicans or Tea Party candidates.

Here's an idea! :idea: MAYBE if the government/EPA would STOP with their heavy handedness and allow the United States of America to MINE, EXTRACT, SELL and USE it's own NATURAL RESOURCES, then maybe ... just maybe, fuel would become affordable again, negating the need for city dwellers to burn wood???

Naw, can't do that. It'll cause global warming. Hurt the environment. Greedy American capitalists will make a few bucks bettering the economy. :roll:

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Post Sat. Mar. 01, 2014 8:22 am

SMITTY wrote:Here's an idea! :idea: MAYBE if the government/EPA would STOP with their heavy handedness and allow the United States of America to MINE, EXTRACT, SELL and USE it's own NATURAL RESOURCES, then maybe ... just maybe, fuel would become affordable again, negating the need for city dwellers to burn wood???
The weak link in what you say is “USE its own” natural resources. There has been a severe propane shortage in the U.S. this winter, while we export four times as much as we did a few years ago. The Keystone pipeline is intended for the same purpose, to transport Canadian oil to the Gulf of Mexico so it can be – what? – exported. Here’s a very brief piece that will frost your cookies:
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/02 ... ports.html
SMITTY wrote:Naw, can't do that. It'll cause global warming. Hurt the environment. Greedy American capitalists will make a few bucks bettering the economy. :roll:
American capitalists formed the environment of my childhood, in “pristine” Maine, where every breath you took some days would choke you with paper mill fumes; where you could scarcely cross the river on a bridge due to the stench of the water, let alone swim in it. I will take the EPA, even with its sometimes-stupidity, rather than go back 60 years to that pinnacle of American capitalism.


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Post Wed. Mar. 05, 2014 3:45 pm

WHAT !!

Most wood stoves that warm cabin and home residents from coast-to-coast can’t meet that standard. Older stoves that don’t cannot be traded in for updated types, but instead must be rendered inoperable, destroyed, or recycled as scrap metal.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2014/01/29/ ... al-people/

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Post Wed. Mar. 05, 2014 4:00 pm

It will apply only to new wood heaters, when/if it happens.

Any existing wood heater is exempt.

Looks like the antique wood "heaters" are going to go up in value....Emery has plenty of those in his barn!

http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/ordinances.html

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Post Wed. Mar. 05, 2014 4:38 pm

I think all heat should be banned starting with a pilot program at the White House and congressional office buildings. Electricity too except what can be produced by windmills and solar panels. One 13 watt bulb per household.

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Post Wed. Mar. 05, 2014 5:20 pm

Replacement parts for discontinued appliances will skyrocket also, so time to look for a cheapy stove to have for parts!

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