I Didn't Realize That Natural Gas Would Be This Inexpensive

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lsayre
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
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Location: N/E Ohio, between Medina and Wadsworth

Post Mon. Feb. 10, 2014 6:15 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:I can understand the Attraction,Larry......What my History tells me,what really left a Mark on me,was when the rug got pulled out from under the N.G. Customers feet. It was the late 60's into the 70's that the price spiked through the Roof. I've said before that I remember all the Greenhouse Operations that forever closed down. I remember Folks running Colder Homes. My Dad worked for the old East Ohio Gas Co. He had no good opinion about what was going on ! Try to remember that You can opportune buy Coal in the Summer Moments and Store Indefinitely on Your Property. After this Tough Year,that Window may be Drastically Shorter,but may still exist. You can't store N.G. for Personal Use. When Coal's bought and Paid for,it's Yours to use. You Control. You Secure. Sure,it's only Money! :lol: ,but when You need it,it's there. You Are Warm! :up: You've also,through the Mechanism of Stockpiling,secured some Peace Of Mind! There's Folks right now,that wished they'd of pushed the Stockpiling Envelope a Few More Tons to Secure Their Heat. You've done well to come so far,so fast,Larry! You're a Definite Asset To This Board,and You Provide Many Thought Provoking Posts to Wake Many from Their "Heads In The Sand Slumber" ! Carry On,Holmes!! :up: :gee:
Lots of wisdom there! I need to replace my burned out "back up" resistance boiler. I may consider replacing it with one of those small "hang on the wall" high efficiency propane units that can be converted to natural gas if it ever comes down our street. It would have to be able to vent out of a PVC pipe, as the coal boiler has the chimney tied up.
-Larry

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McGiever
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Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek
Location: Junction of PA-OH-WV

Post Mon. Feb. 10, 2014 8:04 pm

Why do you call your back up electric boiler "burned out"?
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lsayre
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Location: N/E Ohio, between Medina and Wadsworth

Post Mon. Feb. 10, 2014 8:51 pm

McGiever wrote:Why do you call your back up electric boiler "burned out"?
It went "boom" and smoke came out, and it hasn't worked since.
-Larry

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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 3:17 am

I prefer the term "toast" :lol: :lol:

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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 7:05 am

lsayre wrote:
McGiever wrote:Why do you call your back up electric boiler "burned out"?
It went "boom" and smoke came out, and it hasn't worked since.
Should be repairable...only electrical repairs.
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Location: Girardville Pa.

Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 7:13 am

lsayre wrote:
McGiever wrote:Why do you call your back up electric boiler "burned out"?
It went "boom" and smoke came out, and it hasn't worked since.
Ahhh the factory installed smoke came out and the factory is all out of replacement smoke.

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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 7:23 am

Carbon12 wrote:I think Sting recently poster NG reserves are down and prices are going up. It is still dirt cheap though! :mad:
It will be a few months before you see the affects of the cost especially if it doesn't drop as fast as it went up.

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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 7:26 am

dcrane wrote:
yes... NG prices are on the rise, but right now people wont even buy houses unless they have NG available! soon enough the carpet will be PULLED OUT FROM UNDER THEIR FEET toothy
There is poll here somewhere I started, only 25% of those that voted had access to natural gas.
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Sting
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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 10:23 am

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When you turn your boiler on -Does it return the favor?
I have finally lost my mind. Don't bother to return it. It wasn't working properly anyway!

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Location: central Bradford county pa

Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 10:27 am

I have to say I miss the forum and coal :) I wish I new about coal sooner than I did..... I would have it installed in one of my outside sheds
(ahs 130) here in town and heat my garage and house..... but I had a concrete driveway put in and no way to run pipes from garage to house.
but I did use coal boiler to heat 2 houses , a shed and domestic hot water for my apartments.... 3 bedroom family units..... had enough coal for 10 years stored......from all over the anthracite region..... harmony,hudson,south tamaqua coal pockets,little buck, and lenigh..... coal was a life saver on the business... I provided the heat......then came the kitchen grease fire...... and now its all a pavilion and cabin.....

natural gas..... wow what can I say... been using it for 22years now in my house.... see then good bad and ugly..... started at 2dollars 1000 therm ...
gas company ran pipe to house..... I installed gas hot water and wall nonvented heater....... later a hot water boiler and storage unit.... pex floor heat and baseboard back up... and ran line to garage and put in a furnace..... heat garage to 50 all the time house 74 main living space.... basement about 70 house total 2000sq feet well insulated..... garage 900 sq feet.... half ceiling insulation......10 foot ceilings..... last gas bill was 180 dollars.... will be more this month I think...... valley cities gas I think is close to 7 dollars cubic therm 1000..... they locked this in contract when gas hit 15 dollars when oil hit 148 dollars...... remember that bs..... any way house cost was 379 a month then... so as others say..... having coal is the way.... if I would have know I would have put in a heated driveway..... give that boiler something to do..... the ahs-130 is a great brain dead boiler..... I would not put it in my house tho.... a shed yes..... everyone here knows why..... found my rc damper to many times against my shed wall......just left the damn thing off.... 12x12 shed... 6 foot door.... and vented..... know one living in it...... kept a good draft on boiler.....

anyway I used close to 9 tons ayear on the apartments..... I believe it would be close to 6 - 7 tons for house..... apartments 3700 total sqfeet house and garage 2900 sq feet...... problem of storage of coal and ashes here in towm would be hard... 1/4 acre.... apartment 9 acres.... so never moved boiler to town..... right now I guesss its ok..... gas 180 a month..... coal 170-210.... counting diesel .......still always thinking.........
center of Bradford county pa

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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 12:35 pm

McGiever wrote:Should be repairable...only electrical repairs.
Possibly, but I'm guessing the unit is 20 or more years old at this juncture. I've had the house for 13 years, and it looked to have been old and well used when we moved into the house.
-Larry

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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 12:36 pm

Does it leak?
No matter where you go,......there you are.

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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 12:37 pm

blrman07 wrote:Ahhh the factory installed smoke came out and the factory is all out of replacement smoke.

Rev. Larry
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Ashland Pa.
They used to refer to is as magical smoke I believe. :lol:
-Larry

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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 12:37 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Does it leak?
No leaks. Still hooked up, just doesn't work.
-Larry

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Post Tue. Feb. 11, 2014 12:40 pm

Ever price out how much new electrodes would run you? I'm guessing those are the only things on the boiler that could go boom. :shock:
No matter where you go,......there you are.


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