Heat Surge Scam? Amish Made Heater Saves Money?

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Post Wed. Dec. 19, 2007 9:57 pm

It just gos to show that our country is full of people who have no idea about anything practical and are so brainwashed by advertising that they couldn't see a snake oil salesman coming with a reptile detector! :lol:
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Post Wed. Dec. 19, 2007 10:05 pm

Matthaus wrote:It just gos to show that our country is full of people who have no idea about anything practical and are so brainwashed by advertising that they couldn't see a snake oil salesman coming with a reptile detector! :lol:
I have friends who buy this kind of stuff....I'm embarrassed to talk to them about it, but I do send them links to the bad reviews and such. Ozone generating home air purifiers comes to mind....California has outlawed any device that generate ozone starting in 2009. 'Bout time.
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Post Thu. Dec. 20, 2007 7:25 am

Consumer Reports is a good place to look for an unbiased evaluation of lots of products, but their range is somewhat limited. I guess they can't test everything!
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Post Thu. Dec. 20, 2007 8:47 am

My father-in-law mentioned this thing to me a month or so ago. He had seen it advertised and was thinking he might like to buy one because it was "made" by the Amish and would reduce his heating costs. I told him that it was an electric heater and to save his $$. He was really convinced that it was not eletctric. I still had my ad for it and showed it to him.
I told him to stick with his wood stove. (I have tried to get him him to try a coal stove but, that is a whole other story). He already has electric heat (ceiling radiant which is what is in my house too). I can't imagine what the electric bill would be if I used that stuff. I have all the breakers turned off and do not use it at all. My electric bill is high enough.
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Post Thu. Dec. 20, 2007 11:46 am

I have some Amish friends, I'll see if they'll let me take a picture of their heater. They use a kerosene stove for heat, some use coal or wood stoves. Not one uses an electric fireplace and no Amish people will pose for a picture to be used for selling something. The people in the pictures are definitely actors or maybe Mennonites, but Mennonites don't usually wear Amish beards.
Burning coal is definitely worth the extra work involved.
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Post Thu. Dec. 20, 2007 1:01 pm

e.alleg wrote:I have some Amish friends, I'll see if they'll let me take a picture of their heater. They use a kerosene stove for heat, some use coal or wood stoves. Not one uses an electric fireplace and no Amish people will pose for a picture to be used for selling something. The people in the pictures are definitely actors or maybe Mennonites, but Mennonites don't usually wear Amish beards.
My neighbor has heated his entire, 2 story, split level home since 1987 with 2 kerosene heaters. He says he uses one for the top 2 floors and one in the basement when he goes down there. He claims to use 2 gallons a day to keep the house 72 all the time. No fans, no nothin'. He's very frugal to say the least. He and his wife can't weigh 190 pounds between them and they're older so either he's lying or they're warm. I think he's an honest guy. I don't think I could do it.
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Post Thu. Dec. 20, 2007 3:09 pm

I heated with a Kerosun Omni 105 ( think that's the model) before I built my chimney in 1989. It burned 2 gallons a day but it was no 72 in the house. Now, it was 72 or maybe a little better in the general area of the heater but that's about it. Still had to use the electric in the bedrooms. I would not use one of those "stinking" messy things again. It left a greyish film through the house and we all seemed to have breathing issues when we used that thing.
I now easily heat 2000 sq ft with my Harman MK II and have been doing so since 1993.
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Post Thu. Dec. 20, 2007 3:48 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:I heated with a Kerosun Omni 105 ( think that's the model) before I built my chimney in 1989. It burned 2 gallons a day but it was no 72 in the house. Now, it was 72 or maybe a little better in the general area of the heater but that's about it. Still had to use the electric in the bedrooms. I would not use one of those "stinking" messy things again. It left a greyish film through the house and we all seemed to have breathing issues when we used that thing.
I now easily heat 2000 sq ft with my Harman MK II and have been doing so since 1993.
I hear ya...I cannot imagine what 2 gallons of burned kerosene puts into the air. I sure don't want to breathe it!
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Post Thu. Dec. 20, 2007 4:29 pm

I've been in some "houses" where blankets aren't optional, they are mandatory to prevent from freezing. Some kerosene heaters look like furnaces and are 90k btu's, they use a regular flue pipe.
Burning coal is definitely worth the extra work involved.
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Post Sat. Sep. 20, 2008 8:12 pm

Hi,
I just got off the phone with a friend who lives in Vermont. Bought 2 of them for $379 each and swears by them, says all she sees is a 40 Watt chandelier :idea: light bulb. She said she gets lots of heat. She may like the fireplace look and had a few too many scotch on rocks. I can't believe it. the Amish are busy fleecing tourists who visit their area. I go to Lancaster PA and ALL the trinkets they sell are made in China, they take off the labels and put on Made in Lancaster. Everyone likes PIE IN THE SKY & FREE LUNCH. We know there is no such thing. There is an irony in the advertisement, Amish man who uses no electricity invents an electric heater :D I have no doubt that the wood mantle is made in a China Amish Factory :D :) ;) :roll:
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Post Sat. Sep. 20, 2008 9:19 pm

Wait till she gets the electric bill. :idea:
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Post Sat. Sep. 20, 2008 9:32 pm

My father called last January and told me about a great new space aged electric heater that my uncle bought and how it was saving him a bunch a money. It was the Eden Pure and that it is built with "cured copper" , WTF is cured copper? . I told my father that it was BS and to save his money. At the time, my uncle told my dad that his electric bill didn't go up a dime.
** UPDATE, my father told me mid summer that my uncle got a very large electric bill in the mail in June just after they read his meter. I guess my uncle forgot that the electric company will estimate a customer's bill on previous usage when they cannot get one of their meter readers out due to rough Maine winters. Needless to say after that, my uncle is back to firewood.

Its sad that they are allowed to prey on the elderly.
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Post Sat. Sep. 20, 2008 9:57 pm

WTF is cured copper?
Copper that is cured....sort of like bacon.
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Post Sat. Sep. 20, 2008 10:05 pm

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Bacon
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Post Sat. Sep. 20, 2008 10:22 pm

Rule # 1 People will buy anything they think will save them money. Tell a lot of nice things about it,true or not ,wrap it up pretty and charge enough so they think its worth a lot and you got a sale.
It is curious Amish would make a heater that is electric being they don't use power from the wires strung up all over :roll:


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