heat pump cost for this winter

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Post by xackley1 » Tue. May. 14, 2024 2:53 am

4 ton of coal would have cost me $1600 + delivery last fall. I installed a 24k heat pump last October. Cost me about $2K for whole install.
My total electric cost for the last 8 months is $1395 . That include lights, stove, tv, hot water, well pump, frig, and the dozens of little led lights that seem to be everywhere. My normal winter electric bill averages about $90. but even at $70, that would be $560 to be subtracted from the total bill. Nyseg charges 12 to 15 cent for a KWh plus a basic service charge of $19.

Coal price here dropped to $377 last month, so I will be ordering 3 tons for next winter. My Coal stove is in the basement. I did notice the floors were cooler, so I plan to idle the coal stove next January and February to keep my shop warmer and floors more comfortable.
I currently have about ton of coal, and a full tank of oil, which I think would be necessary when we suffer extended single digit temps. No real cold streaks last winter.

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Post by nut » Tue. May. 14, 2024 7:48 am

Thanks for the report. Very helpful. Did you heat from one location or was your minisplit a multi head? About how many sq ft did you heat? What brand minisplit?

 
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Post by Rob R. » Tue. May. 14, 2024 8:57 am

Thanks for the information. I added some links below to some of your other posts with relevant information.

I have a single-zone 24k btu minisplit as well, and it falls quite short of heating my 3000 sq ft house. I think if it were two zones that would help a lot, but we would still need to invest in some good slippers to tolerate the hardwood and tile floors with a cold basement.

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Post by nut » Tue. May. 14, 2024 9:04 am

Cold floors and an open stairway to the basement are key factors. I would need a basement zone in my house to feel comfortable or also keep my coal stove burning low.

 
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Post by xackley1 » Tue. May. 14, 2024 12:26 pm

I like the senville aura. I never contacted senville, but the reviews for the company's support were positive. All diy units are made in china so price and vendor reputation are the major deciding factor for brand.

To help you decide https://ashp.neep.org/#!/ will give you a lot of info on any mini split you are investigating. Just type in the AHRI number for the mini split.
Run the calculator on this site. At current prices it would have cost over $4000 for oil or propane. Natural gas appears to be a wash with the cost of running a heat pump.

I heat 800 sqft when it gets cold, 1300 sometimes. Single zone unit. Very old single story house with lots of heat loss.
Most homes would probably need a couple of heat pumps.

 
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Post by nut » Tue. May. 14, 2024 1:09 pm

xackley1 wrote:
Tue. May. 14, 2024 12:26 pm
I like the senville aura. I never contacted senville, but the reviews for the company's support were positive. All diy units are made in china so price and vendor reputation are the major deciding factor for brand.

To help you decide https://ashp.neep.org/#!/ will give you a lot of info on any mini split you are investigating. Just type in the AHRI number for the mini split.
Run the calculator on this site. At current prices it would have cost over $4000 for oil or propane. Natural gas appears to be a wash with the cost of running a heat pump.

I heat 800 sqft when it gets cold, 1300 sometimes. Single zone unit. Very old single story house with lots of heat loss.
Most homes would probably need a couple of heat pumps.
Ok I think I remember your report back awhile. Thanks again.


 
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Post by Hambden Bob » Wed. May. 15, 2024 5:09 am

Thanx for the info,Xack..!! To me,this site was founded by the Mayor to not only promote NEPA Hard Coal Anthracite products,but all Coal and Coal burning appliances in general. It's underlying mission was to be a think-tank for those that wanted to heat their property and hot water without going broke doing it. Fine Folks here enjoy "weathering storms together". With the radical price increases witnessed by All here,that "Spirit Of Independence" kicks in hard to continue Our mission.
Your contribution to this effort is greatly appreciated by me. While I still believe Anthracite is an amazing fuel,those on a Budget have been fairly well destroyed by the insane price increases and the "War On Coal".
A changeable,flexible heating source attack has to be put into effect to survive the times. It helps to have the cash to put it into play...
One other underlying thought with Anthracite Coal for me is the Safety Factor of zero chimney fire opportunities in using it. Couple that with the fact that an entire Winter Heating Season's supply can be safely stored on property with no chance of Spontaneous Combustion nor bug infestation troubles. No uncertainties of Heating Source due to the scourges of a long cold Winter and storm related power outages of long duration. Yes,hand fired appliances independent of electricity are the source of that security,but most of Us "Crafty Independent Living Critters" have secured Generators to secure Our needs.
I've stated the obvious of why We're All here,but I personally love the "balanced attack perspective" Your contribution has provided to Our efforts to stay warm..
Yeah,those warm floors being gone is part of the payment for using this type of system. In the end,it's Your Life,and You'll All have to decide how to pay to live it..
"Knowledge Is Power,Inaction,Indecision And Waffling About Is A Thief Of What We've Learned"
Yeah,I said it... :yes:

 
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Post by Rob R. » Thu. May. 16, 2024 11:02 am

xackley1 wrote:
Tue. May. 14, 2024 12:26 pm
I heat 800 sqft when it gets cold, 1300 sometimes. Single zone unit. Very old single story house with lots of heat loss.
Most homes would probably need a couple of heat pumps.
4 tons of coal for 1300 sq. ft? :o

Seems like there may be some low hanging fruit in terms of heat loss.

 
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Post by nut » Thu. May. 16, 2024 11:04 am

Rob R. wrote:
Thu. May. 16, 2024 11:02 am
4 tons of coal for 1300 sq. ft? :o

Seems like there may be some low hanging fruit in terms of heat loss.
Maybe not counting the basement.

 
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Post by xackley1 » Thu. May. 16, 2024 12:24 pm

The basement with the coal stove running is 60 to 65*. The heat from the coal stove circulates the existing cold air return, through the oil furnace convection fan, to the floor registers. The jacket I built around the Pocono captures most the heat from 3 sides and top.
My wife will not allow a coal stove in the living room:(
With the heat pump in the living area the basement was 40 to 50*.

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