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Post by nut » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 11:30 am

Home Depot sells a black pipe with a collar that fits over the pipe when connecting 2 together. Maybe it is large enough to fit over your elbow.


 
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Post by nut » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 11:35 am

nut wrote:
Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 11:30 am
Home Depot sells a black pipe with a collar that fits over the pipe when connecting 2 together. Maybe it is large enough to fit over your elbow.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuraVent-DuraBlack-6- ... /202269771

 
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Post by UncleDoDat » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 11:53 am

mntbugy wrote:
Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 11:17 am
For now , just get a regular 6 inch black wall elbow. Put on the back of the stove.

A replacement cast iron elbow with check damper, will be about $100 +/-.
Yeah, I'll look into that. I'm so damn depressed I've gotten back in the bed.😭😭 Is the Stove Hospital still the best place to get a replacement damper pipe? I've called and left a message.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 12:22 pm

You only need the check damper elbow if you are going to burn wood. Otherwise a non-check damper type is fine.

Stove Hospital.

Wilson Mull 508-763-8911

Dana LaPan
https://www.lapansantiquestoves.com/

Any of those three member's stove restoration shops may have a cast iron elbow with check damper, if you want to replace it.

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Post by UncleDoDat » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 12:47 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:
Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 12:22 pm
You only need the check damper elbow if you are going to burn wood. Otherwise a non-check damper type is fine.

Stove Hospital.

Wilson Mull 508-763-8911

Dana LaPan
https://www.lapansantiquestoves.com/

Any of those three member's stove restoration shops may have a cast iron elbow with check damper, if you want to replace it.

Paul
Well, you know me Sunny Boy. I'm a glutton for punishment. I usually start the season off with a cord of wood. Saving my black chunks of gold for the colder months.

The number you provided for Wilson is not in service. Is that the right number? I think I brought Mr Herald from Wilson now that I think back.

I'll do a bit of research on the new guy you provided. (Dana)

 
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Post by UncleDoDat » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 12:50 pm

nut wrote:
Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 11:30 am
Home Depot sells a black pipe with a collar that fits over the pipe when connecting 2 together. Maybe it is large enough to fit over your elbow.
Unfortunately I have damaged my damper pipe and have a brand new problem to solve before I can solve the initial problem. Life is sometimes funny that way.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 12:55 pm

UncleDoDat wrote:
Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 12:47 pm
Well, you know me Sunny Boy. I'm a glutton for punishment. I usually start the season off with a cord of wood. Saving my black chunks of gold for the colder months.

The number you provided for Wilson is not in service. Is that the right number? I think I brought Mr Herald from Wilson now that I think back.

I'll do a bit of research on the new guy you provided. (Dana)
Sorry Unc. Wilson's number is 508-763-8941. Not 8911. :oops:

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Post by UncleDoDat » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 1:21 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:
Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 12:55 pm
Sorry Unc. Wilson's number is 508-763-8941. Not 8911. :oops:

Paul
Great, thanks. Calling now. Left messages for the other as well. Guess it's a waiting game if Wilson doesn't answer. Being as I brought my stove from him I'm feeling optimistic.

 
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Post by UncleDoDat » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 2:09 pm

So, I spoke with Doug at Barn Stables and Wilson. They both are not sure they have any cast iron elbows for Mr Herald just laying around. Also spoke with Dana Says I have a better chance getting a replacement from the Stove Hospital.

Both Doug and Wilson says it would need to be welded in order to be fixed.

And I was mistaken. My stove was brought from Barnes Stables. Refered by the late great William Sherrick.

Looks like I'll be using Sunny Boy's & mntbugy advice. As Wilson and Doug have advised to get a regular 6 inch elbow and attach to the stove.

So, I'm gonna get my butt outta the bed and handle this. I'm kinda apprehensive as this is basically the job I paid professionals to do all them many years ago.

Already, I'm wondering, once the new elbow is attached. I'm thinking I still need the 90-degree adjustable pipe to plug into that, then the vertical stove pipe, that then plugs into yet another 90-degree adjustable pipe that actually makes the 90 degree turn, for the stove pipe that runs into the wall. So it's the same height as before. Any suggestions?

 
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Post by grumpy » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 2:18 pm

Cast a new one ?

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 2:42 pm

UncleDoDat wrote:
Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 2:09 pm
So, I spoke with Doug at Barn Stables and Wilson. They both are not sure they have any cast iron elbows for Mr Herald just laying around. Also spoke with Dana Says I have a better chance getting a replacement from the Stove Hospital.

Both Doug and Wilson says it would need to be welded in order to be fixed.

And I was mistaken. My stove was brought from Barnes Stables. Refered by the late great William Sherrick.

Looks like I'll be using Sunny Boy's & mntbugy advice. As Wilson and Doug have advised to get a regular 6 inch elbow and attach to the stove.

So, I'm gonna get my butt outta the bed and handle this. I'm kinda apprehensive as this is basically the job I paid professionals to do all them many years ago.

Already, I'm wondering, once the new elbow is attached. I'm thinking I still need the 90-degree adjustable pipe to plug into that, then the vertical stove pipe, that then plugs into yet another 90-degree adjustable pipe that actually makes the 90 degree turn, for the stove pipe that runs into the wall. So it's the same height as before. Any suggestions?

Sounds like more elbows than needed. First 90 degree elbow at the back of the stove. Then a straight vertical section plus the second 90 degree elbow to get to the height of the chimney connection. Then just a straight section from the second elbow directly to the chimney.

Or, can you use 45 degree bend at the stove and the chimney instead of 90 and one longer straight pipe sloped up to the chimney ? Then the stove will draw better because of less flow resistance of the 45 compared to the 90 elbow.

Paul

 
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Post by mntbugy » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 3:16 pm

Better measure the stove outlet flange size before going to the store.
It might be an oddball size.

Maybe a Glenwood would fit??

 
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Post by UncleDoDat » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 5:06 pm

Everything seems to be lining up fine. (So far) all the piping fits each other. Fits the stove perfectly. So I have the new 90 degree stove pipe. That's plugging into the adjustable 90 degree elbow that I will use at a straight angle. That's just the way it was setup during the original installation. (I don't want to reinvent the wheel.)Don't know why, now that I'm doing it myself. Probably something to do with the height of the stove pipe reaching the next adjustable 90 degree elbow.

Had to buy an angle grinder to get that pesky stripped screw off. (Harbor freights has a great sale) which brings me to the screws and bolts. I didn't have the foresight to get the screws I needed while I was out. Which works out fine for me because I wanted to run this past you guys. I never want to go through this again with these type of screws that stripped like frozen butter ever again. So, what type of screws and bolts should I be looking for. I know I need screws to lock each of the stove pipe fittings. But the original cast iron 90 degree stove pipe was connected by screw and hex bolt. Not sure of the size, but I have pieces of the old one and I'm heading to Ace's hardware right after I post this. Any info will help.

Thanks. Almost at the finished line.

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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Sep. 30, 2023 6:10 pm

For sheet metal to sheet metal most just use self-tapping sheet metal screws. Just drill a hole the diameter of the "root" of the screw - the diameter of the screw down inside the threads. Then just screw it in.

For sheet metal to cast iron the sheet metal screws won't work. Pick up some stainless steel #8 round head machine screws and square nuts. Lock washers don't hold well with the heat. The square nuts have sharp corners that help grab and keep from turning loose. That was what stove manufacturers used originally and why.

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