Modern baseburner reproduction
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I think the over all cost of manufacturing and testing would be the real life killer of that idea, if a normal box coal it wood stove cost a grand or 2 one like that I can only imagine what would be the price tag. I know getting stuff ul tester is very expensive
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As it is, restored original base heaters go for $3000 and more. Base burners go for $5000.00 - $7000. 00 and more.
Repro's of either type would be even more expensive to make. That would reduce the demand considerably. So the cost per unit would very likely not come down enough to bring production costs down.
Plus, your fighting to establish a market that has been brain-washed that coal is dirty and polluting, and wood is "green" and renewable. That's ironic (moronic ?) when you consider that the EPA has more than once, put tighter pollution regulations on new wood stoves, where as, there are none for coal stoves.
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Repro's of either type would be even more expensive to make. That would reduce the demand considerably. So the cost per unit would very likely not come down enough to bring production costs down.
Plus, your fighting to establish a market that has been brain-washed that coal is dirty and polluting, and wood is "green" and renewable. That's ironic (moronic ?) when you consider that the EPA has more than once, put tighter pollution regulations on new wood stoves, where as, there are none for coal stoves.
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There was a guy in MI several years ago that built a cylinder stove (its not a baseburner) that burned wood or coal. I'm not sure if he is still in business or if you can even find this product but the video was interesting...
Lawson Stoves was the name of the company.
Update: you can find some of his parts on ebay - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lawson-Grate-Ring-Assemb ... rk:10:pf:0
Looks like they focus on propane cylinder conversions.
Lawson Stoves was the name of the company.
Update: you can find some of his parts on ebay - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lawson-Grate-Ring-Assemb ... rk:10:pf:0
Looks like they focus on propane cylinder conversions.
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i remember a few years ago Larry at Chubby Stoves was floating the idea of something along these lines. I'm sure we would all be shocked at the costs of patents and UL testing, then to have parts cast in bulk, etc. It would be a major investment for anyone to pull off, and years in the doing before they even saw a dollar of profit.
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I can understand what it takes to put a stove into production. Maybe it’s that time during the winter when I question the efficiency of my 50-93. I love the stove. Maybe I’m just bummed out by the rectangular fire box with a hole in the back of it. Seems like there was a lot more “technology” put into the old stoves. I guess that’s what I’m looking for.
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And you'd be right in thinking that.Smart_Ash wrote: ↑Tue. Jan. 15, 2019 4:02 pmI can understand what it takes to put a stove into production. Maybe it’s that time during the winter when I question the efficiency of my 50-93. I love the stove. Maybe I’m just bummed out by the rectangular fire box with a hole in the back of it. Seems like there was a lot more “technology” put into the old stoves. I guess that’s what I’m looking for.
Our own Dr. Frankenstein,... Steve (screen name Kingcoal), has converted a modern stove into a base heater and shown there is a gain in BTU efficiency.
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Base burner for 5 to 7 grand boy I cant complain about the 1100 I paid for my micca base burner.
For a long time Tractor Supply was selling a reproduction potbelly stove for coal. I was browsing Tractor Supply website back in November and they still had it. It specifically said "not UL listed". I don't see it on their website anymore. I had seen the same stove for sale on Alibaba website, so I suspect it was a Chinese import.warminmn wrote: ↑Tue. Jan. 15, 2019 3:43 pmi remember a few years ago Larry at Chubby Stoves was floating the idea of something along these lines. I'm sure we would all be shocked at the costs of patents and UL testing, then to have parts cast in bulk, etc. It would be a major investment for anyone to pull off, and years in the doing before they even saw a dollar of profit.
I think this is the manual for the potbelly stove I saw for sale at Tractor Supply.
https://www.usstove.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/ ... manual.pdf
On the cover it says "NOTE: THIS IS NOT A U.L. LISTED COAL BURNING STOVE"
https://www.usstove.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/ ... manual.pdf
On the cover it says "NOTE: THIS IS NOT A U.L. LISTED COAL BURNING STOVE"
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Many people will not buy one that isnt UL listed, and since its not a pre-UL stove I bet it could be tough to get insurance in some areas of the country. One of the ways they get around the UL listing is by not having it airtight so using it for anthracite can be difficult. These types may or may not have gotten banned after the last EPA laws went into effect a couple years ago, which was aimed at wood stove efficiency/pollution. The stove type your referring too does not make much pollution as it burns fast with little smoke.gardener wrote: ↑Fri. Jan. 18, 2019 8:35 amFor a long time Tractor Supply was selling a reproduction potbelly stove for coal. I was browsing Tractor Supply website back in November and they still had it. It specifically said "not UL listed". I don't see it on their website anymore. I had seen the same stove for sale on Alibaba website, so I suspect it was a Chinese import.
Smart_Ash,
You should check out the thread "A 1980 Reproduction" in the 'Imported Hand Fired Coal Stoves Using Anthracite' forum.
That is a nice looking reproduction!
I would think you would have to shop insurance agents to find someone who understands regulations.
I think I saw a thread on here of someone that properly placed their antique stove according the non-UL clearance and it was practically in the middle of their small room... like 3 feet from walls???
On the second photo in the thread I mentioned above, that reproduction has the UL plate, which ruins it for me. Granted in most homes I doubt people would be looking at the lower backside of the stove. I wonder if the UL plate could be attached to the underside of the base?
You should check out the thread "A 1980 Reproduction" in the 'Imported Hand Fired Coal Stoves Using Anthracite' forum.
That is a nice looking reproduction!
I would be on the fence about it considering the clearances for non-UL solid fuel heating appliance.warminmn wrote: ↑Fri. Jan. 18, 2019 9:34 amMany people will not buy one that isnt UL listed, and since its not a pre-UL stove I bet it could be tough to get insurance in some areas of the country. One of the ways they get around the UL listing is by not having it airtight so using it for anthracite can be difficult. These types may or may not have gotten banned after the last EPA laws went into effect a couple years ago, which was aimed at wood stove efficiency/pollution. The stove type your referring too does not make much pollution as it burns fast with little smoke.
I would think you would have to shop insurance agents to find someone who understands regulations.
I think I saw a thread on here of someone that properly placed their antique stove according the non-UL clearance and it was practically in the middle of their small room... like 3 feet from walls???
On the second photo in the thread I mentioned above, that reproduction has the UL plate, which ruins it for me. Granted in most homes I doubt people would be looking at the lower backside of the stove. I wonder if the UL plate could be attached to the underside of the base?
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A true baseburner stove (as is title of this thread) has a large number of intregate and somewhat precise fitting pieces...and would hardly compare to any simple and crude offering found in TSC's solid fuel seasonal displays.