Baltimore heater restoration
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I picked up this Baltimore heater at the end of August. Wanted to share some pictures and the ongoing restoration. This stove is called a "New Parlor Heater" but is essentially a New Golden Sun made by the James Spears Company in Philadelphia. New. G. Sun 1882 is found imprinted in the castings throughout the stove.
The stove was complete except for missing the shroud that covers the backend. There were a few cracks that needed welding on the top plate of the base and I had to recast a few pieces.
Here are some pics of the restoration. So far I've got the stove cleaned, painted and polished. I've reassembled the base. Still need to fabricate the flue pipes and then fasten it all together. Aside from the restoration, I have to extend the hearth of my fireplace to accommodate the stove. The base of the stove extends about 20 inches from the face of the fireplace and the cylinder of the stoves extends approximately 15 inches from the fireplace. The hearth in my house only extends 18". I hope to get it burning coal by the end of November.
The stove was complete except for missing the shroud that covers the backend. There were a few cracks that needed welding on the top plate of the base and I had to recast a few pieces.
Here are some pics of the restoration. So far I've got the stove cleaned, painted and polished. I've reassembled the base. Still need to fabricate the flue pipes and then fasten it all together. Aside from the restoration, I have to extend the hearth of my fireplace to accommodate the stove. The base of the stove extends about 20 inches from the face of the fireplace and the cylinder of the stoves extends approximately 15 inches from the fireplace. The hearth in my house only extends 18". I hope to get it burning coal by the end of November.
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Nice work, J.
A rather complex stove design to restore, but well worth the effort !
Paul
A rather complex stove design to restore, but well worth the effort !
Paul
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Looking real nice.
You posted that on the other place a while back.
You posted that on the other place a while back.
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Looks great. I been looking for one of those also if anyone has any leads. I’m in the great Ohio.
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Thanks mntbug, it’s coming along nicely. Yes, I posted on the antique stove site on FB when I picked it up.
Paul - the base definitely required octopus arms to put together but compared to the Sunny that Norcan restored its pretty simple. This stove doesn’t have dampers for indirect and directing venting. It’s pretty much in indirect mode all the time. The exhuast gas is directed from the top of the stove to the base by two ducts on either side of the cylinder. Then it’s directed around the base of the stove where it is then vented up on either side to a cast iron y-connector that exits into a 4” stove pipe. The 4” exit has a mpd and that is the only damper on the stove. Once I get it together i’ll post more pictures.
Paul - the base definitely required octopus arms to put together but compared to the Sunny that Norcan restored its pretty simple. This stove doesn’t have dampers for indirect and directing venting. It’s pretty much in indirect mode all the time. The exhuast gas is directed from the top of the stove to the base by two ducts on either side of the cylinder. Then it’s directed around the base of the stove where it is then vented up on either side to a cast iron y-connector that exits into a 4” stove pipe. The 4” exit has a mpd and that is the only damper on the stove. Once I get it together i’ll post more pictures.
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Here is the stove mantle all cleaned up.
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If you can post some pictures of the damper I might be able to help.jsmlesotho wrote: ↑Wed. Oct. 24, 2018 2:53 pmThanks mntbug, it’s coming along nicely. Yes, I posted on the antique stove site on FB when I picked it up.
This stove doesn’t have dampers for indirect and directing venting. It’s pretty much in indirect mode all the time. The exhuast gas is directed from the top of the stove to the base by two ducts on either side of the cylinder. Then it’s directed around the base of the stove where it is then vented up on either side to a cast iron y-connector that exits into a 4” stove pipe. The 4” exit has a mpd and that is the only damper on the stove. Once I get it together i’ll post more pictures.
Your Baltimore should have 3 dampers. A check damper on the left side, a damper on the right to go from direct to base mode and a flue damper on the top.
All of the Spears inserts had the same setup. Your model was manufactured to fit in a shallow fireplace so the arch has an extension as well as the grille extentions attached to the back of the base chamber clean out doors. I sold a Golden Sun and I still have a New Golden Sun. I will try to find the illustration showing the gas path and post it.
The flue damper on the right opens to place it in direct draft. When closed it forces the exaust gas down the left side tube past the check damper, down around the base chamber, up the right side tube and out the top past the top damper.
There should be three distinct holes in your arch where the damper rods came thru.
Paulie
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I just looked close at your mantel arch and can see the three holes. The top left was the check, top right the mpd, and on the right side there is a hole on the filigree for the direct /indirect damper rods.
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Here is a pic of the top of a New Golden Sun showing the rods for the mpd and double heater outlet.
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Just to give you some additional incentive. It is simply incredible how much heat these things throw out. Just playing around preseason with some charcoal.
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Jeremy , that’s one impressive restoration going on there. Keep up that great work. It seems to come easy to you !
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Hi Paulie,
Thanks for the explanation. I know you've got more experience with these stoves than most anyone and i appreciate any insight, photos or illustrations you can provide. This stove design for a shallow fireplace explains why this sticks out so far into the room and why I need to extend my hearth! Also, I knew these heaters were designed to heat rooms on the upper floors but I didn't quite understand how until your comments. I've got the plate and pull rod that used to sit on the shroud to cover the double heater, but the shroud is long gone.
As for your explanation of the direct and indirect draft. I understand what your saying but i don't see how that works with this stoves design. The left and right chambers do not connect on this stove. And there is no base chamber below the ash pan like you see in a glenwood or other baseheaters of that design. I saw a fuller & warren insert last year that had a base chamber below the ash pan, this stove doesn't have that. I find it weird that the chambers don't connect but it is what it is. I also find it weird that the stove doesn't draft directly up the chimney. Instead it must vent down the right and left tube and the travel to the back of the stove where it connects, goes thought the mpd and up the chimney. The two don't connect. There is a damper in front of the left clean out that connects the ash pan to the left chamber, i understood that to be a check to limit draft to the coal bed.
Here are some more pictures... I tried to add a comment to describe what I'm showing, hopefully it makes sense. Also provide a more direct picture of the mantle. My understanding is that the left hole is for the double heater pull rod and the right is for the mpd.
I'd love to see any photos you have of your New Golden Sun or illustrations.
Jeremy
Thanks for the explanation. I know you've got more experience with these stoves than most anyone and i appreciate any insight, photos or illustrations you can provide. This stove design for a shallow fireplace explains why this sticks out so far into the room and why I need to extend my hearth! Also, I knew these heaters were designed to heat rooms on the upper floors but I didn't quite understand how until your comments. I've got the plate and pull rod that used to sit on the shroud to cover the double heater, but the shroud is long gone.
As for your explanation of the direct and indirect draft. I understand what your saying but i don't see how that works with this stoves design. The left and right chambers do not connect on this stove. And there is no base chamber below the ash pan like you see in a glenwood or other baseheaters of that design. I saw a fuller & warren insert last year that had a base chamber below the ash pan, this stove doesn't have that. I find it weird that the chambers don't connect but it is what it is. I also find it weird that the stove doesn't draft directly up the chimney. Instead it must vent down the right and left tube and the travel to the back of the stove where it connects, goes thought the mpd and up the chimney. The two don't connect. There is a damper in front of the left clean out that connects the ash pan to the left chamber, i understood that to be a check to limit draft to the coal bed.
Here are some more pictures... I tried to add a comment to describe what I'm showing, hopefully it makes sense. Also provide a more direct picture of the mantle. My understanding is that the left hole is for the double heater pull rod and the right is for the mpd.
I'd love to see any photos you have of your New Golden Sun or illustrations.
Jeremy
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Thanks Kevin, I've still got that Crawford Fortress waiting in my garage.
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Just thinking about the man-hours that went into making the patterns for all those castings is mind-boggling.
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