interesting tid bit about base burners
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https://books.google.com/books?id=9Nom7j7hozYC&pg ... er&f=false
alot of cataloques listed here
https://sites.google.com/site/stovehistorystuff/h ... logues-etc
this one will keep you busy for a while
http://www.survivorlibrary.com/library/waverly_st ... s_1926.pdf
alot of cataloques listed here
https://sites.google.com/site/stovehistorystuff/h ... logues-etc
this one will keep you busy for a while
http://www.survivorlibrary.com/library/waverly_st ... s_1926.pdf
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Wonderful find, Steve. Thanks for posting all those links.
Paul
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I think a central thread or depository for information like this would be a great idea
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- Coal Size/Type: Nut Anth.
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Very cool. Love the old catalogs. Looked at the Gurney one. They're the company that made the radiators in my house. Thanks for posting.
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Wow!! what a collection of research and literature. Look and see in these pamphlets how seriously stove design was taken in the 19th and early 20th Century.
Tied very closely to the foundry business and the advancement of precision machining was the locomotive building industry. How we grew into the industrial giant of the world is easily traced.
In order to make better or more products they had to invent tools, methods and machinery that had had never been needed before. Every thing grew together. It's stunningly amazing when you take the time to think about it.
Tied very closely to the foundry business and the advancement of precision machining was the locomotive building industry. How we grew into the industrial giant of the world is easily traced.
In order to make better or more products they had to invent tools, methods and machinery that had had never been needed before. Every thing grew together. It's stunningly amazing when you take the time to think about it.
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One of the most amazing things about social media and the Internet are the people we meet.
Most of the information that Steve graciously posted was compiled by one man. I'm sure once I mention his name both Steve and William will recognize him.
When a question comes up about an unusual stove on Antique Stove Collectors one of two people are right there to answer it. And of course we all know Sir William is one of them.
Last week I was on a live facebook messenger chat with Howell and in our conversation gave him a link to Coal Pail.
The person responsible for compiling the majority of the links is Professor Howell Harris. When you click on the link to Durham, scroll down a bit until you see his picture.
There is a link to his personal Web page to the left of his picture, and that is one of the links posted by Steve. There are other links posted below his biography.
https://www.dur.ac.uk/history/staff/profiles/?id=399
Paulie
Most of the information that Steve graciously posted was compiled by one man. I'm sure once I mention his name both Steve and William will recognize him.
When a question comes up about an unusual stove on Antique Stove Collectors one of two people are right there to answer it. And of course we all know Sir William is one of them.
Last week I was on a live facebook messenger chat with Howell and in our conversation gave him a link to Coal Pail.
The person responsible for compiling the majority of the links is Professor Howell Harris. When you click on the link to Durham, scroll down a bit until you see his picture.
There is a link to his personal Web page to the left of his picture, and that is one of the links posted by Steve. There are other links posted below his biography.
https://www.dur.ac.uk/history/staff/profiles/?id=399
Paulie
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It would take another life time to get through all that material.
Thanks for the link.
Thanks for the link.
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Thanks Steve and Paulie. Lots to read while waiting for the snow to stop.
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Thanks Steve...I found this thread around the first of January and have been reading lots of the links. This one in particular caught my attention about anthracite... https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Vq00AAAAMAAJ& ... &q&f=false ... and particularly if you scroll down to page 169 on that link and read about the cold winters. Not to mention other interesting statistics. I saved it to my computer to read later.
On that Google hyperlink that KingCoal listed it mentions:KingCoal wrote: ↑Sat. Nov. 18, 2017 9:58 amhttps://books.google.com/books?id=9Nom7j7hozYC&pg ... er&f=false
alot of cataloques listed here
https://sites.google.com/site/stovehistorystuff/h ... logues-etc
this one will keep you busy for a while
http://www.survivorlibrary.com/library/waverly_st ... s_1926.pdf
About this time the "American" base burner was brought out by Van Wormer & McGravey, of Albany, proving very successful, and the Detroit Stove Works also made this stove under an agreement for a limited period. Several stoves of this construction, with improvements, were made by different ones. Perry & Co., of Albany, made the "Argand," which contained the features of the anti-clinker grate, and the full double illumination of mica. This seemed to be exactly what the people wanted.
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This shape was followed by leading firms, and in 1884 the Michigan Stove Co. brought out a stove with square base, round front, nearly square sides, with a round fire pot and a round top surmounted by a dome, calling the same "Art-Garland." This stove was imitated by six of the largest stove manufacturers in the country. Later on the Reflector-top, first made in 1887 by the Michigan Stove Co., proved a great sensation; it was patented by the same company, as was also the stove called the Reflector Art Garland. Nearly all first-class stove manufacturers manufacturing a baseburner are making stoves after this style.
What is a anti-clinker grate ??? is it distinct from the shaker grates, clamshell grate, prismatic grates?
What is a full double illumination of mica ???
What is a Reflector top ??? is this the big sunburst bridle that most of the big mica domed base burners have? bridle might not be the correct word for it
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- Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Anti-clinker grate is some type of grate bars that rotate to dump clinkers and ash. The design might vary somewhat by manufacturer ?????
Literature I've seen for R&S Acorn ranges list them available with either "Dockash" or "Anti-clinker" grates. My in-laws Acorn range did not come with Dockash grates, so I assume R&S was referring to the twin grate bars that were in that range that are geared together to dump clinkers.
The grates are a cast iron grill-work that forms a slight troth down middle length of the bars. Each bar also has long, curved teeth that extend down the sides into the ash pan area. I originally thought the teeth were for breaking up the clinkers, but the gears (called cogs) are not full 360 degree gears, like dock ash and triangular grates use. These grates can only move 90 degrees to dump the clinkers, then need to be rotated in reverse back into position. The long curved teeth are not meant to be teeth to break up clinkers. They are more fingers just to keep coal from getting jammed between the grate bars and the sides of the firebox so that the grates can be rotated back after dumping.
Not sure what "double illumination" mica means. Maybe two rows. Or like some, two mica doors, one above the other, on three sides ?????
Yes, the reflectors are the polished concave shape on the bonnet's sides.
Paul
Literature I've seen for R&S Acorn ranges list them available with either "Dockash" or "Anti-clinker" grates. My in-laws Acorn range did not come with Dockash grates, so I assume R&S was referring to the twin grate bars that were in that range that are geared together to dump clinkers.
The grates are a cast iron grill-work that forms a slight troth down middle length of the bars. Each bar also has long, curved teeth that extend down the sides into the ash pan area. I originally thought the teeth were for breaking up the clinkers, but the gears (called cogs) are not full 360 degree gears, like dock ash and triangular grates use. These grates can only move 90 degrees to dump the clinkers, then need to be rotated in reverse back into position. The long curved teeth are not meant to be teeth to break up clinkers. They are more fingers just to keep coal from getting jammed between the grate bars and the sides of the firebox so that the grates can be rotated back after dumping.
Not sure what "double illumination" mica means. Maybe two rows. Or like some, two mica doors, one above the other, on three sides ?????
Yes, the reflectors are the polished concave shape on the bonnet's sides.
Paul
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yep as Paul has explained the anti clinker grates are a variant of the duplex / clam shell style common with mica radiant base burners
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The double illumination refers to the light radiated from the top of the coal bed and also the light from the lower windows below the firepot between the fingers.
Paulie
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