UMCO No. 28
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Hey guys,
this is my first venture into the cast iron heating world and my friend smokedjya said that this was the forum to be in contact with!
The other day I picked up a UMCO No.28 off craigslist.
It's tiny, only about 20" tall and a footprint of only 13" x 15".
It's in over all good shape other than it's missing a few things.
1. It's missing the shaker grate, which I speculate to be somewhere between 4.5" and 5.5" in diameter. I believe I found a picture of it on online; seems to be a circular grate with a rod welded to the bottom. I'll post that picture too.
2. I've seen some stoves have small doors that fold down to conceal the shaker grate handle and if this stove had one to start with, it's missing as well.
I'm wondering if anyone knows where I could get a replacement grate for it. I currently have a 6" castiron drain in there as a make-shift grate but it's too big and sets way too high.
Thanks for any help!
this is my first venture into the cast iron heating world and my friend smokedjya said that this was the forum to be in contact with!
The other day I picked up a UMCO No.28 off craigslist.
It's tiny, only about 20" tall and a footprint of only 13" x 15".
It's in over all good shape other than it's missing a few things.
1. It's missing the shaker grate, which I speculate to be somewhere between 4.5" and 5.5" in diameter. I believe I found a picture of it on online; seems to be a circular grate with a rod welded to the bottom. I'll post that picture too.
2. I've seen some stoves have small doors that fold down to conceal the shaker grate handle and if this stove had one to start with, it's missing as well.
I'm wondering if anyone knows where I could get a replacement grate for it. I currently have a 6" castiron drain in there as a make-shift grate but it's too big and sets way too high.
Thanks for any help!
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To get you started, try the link I am including. Not sure if they will have your grate but they do carry quite a few of them. That stove is pretty rare and smaller than most.
http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com
Randy
http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com
Randy
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Glad to see you made it on here Jordan!
Here is some of the information I was telling you about
http://antiquestoves.net/dir/pot-belly-stoves-sol ... ove-pb-swl
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1875794_umco ... -stands-20
Here is some of the information I was telling you about
http://antiquestoves.net/dir/pot-belly-stoves-sol ... ove-pb-swl
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1875794_umco ... -stands-20
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Might want to talk to "blrman07", Larry about his find . It looks like he still had the grate in his. I am sure if you ask nicely you might be able to pay to have a recast made of his.
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Hey! I took a look through their parts for coal/wood stoves, some like 1200 different parts and the closest I could find is this 5.5" grate:Photog200 wrote:To get you started, try the link I am including. Not sure if they will have your grate but they do carry quite a few of them. That stove is pretty rare and smaller than most.
http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com
Randy
http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com/16449/products/R ... d_id=65649
Think that'd work?
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If you end up not finding one that works let me know and we can figure on building one for you and send it out to have it cast .
next time you swing into Richmond there are a few salvage places you can check out. If I make my one to one I will keep an eye out
next time you swing into Richmond there are a few salvage places you can check out. If I make my one to one I will keep an eye out
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Josh,
If you make a pattern, be advised.
As you know, the sand gets rammed in around the pattern to force the sand snuggly up against the pattern to get a uniform contact to match the shape of the pattern.
All edges of the pattern in one plain have to have a slight taper of a few degrees so that the sides of that pattern are not quite parallel. That way, when the pattern piece is lifted out of the casting sand, it releases without pulling out chunks of sand with it. Think of it as a wedge shape is easier to pull out than a square shape.
A round,cross section is ok to get a good release from the molding sand, too. But, for grates, a round cross section isn't the best shape for support of a hot firebed. And it doesn't have edges to help break up and move ash as well during shaking.
Paul
If you make a pattern, be advised.
As you know, the sand gets rammed in around the pattern to force the sand snuggly up against the pattern to get a uniform contact to match the shape of the pattern.
All edges of the pattern in one plain have to have a slight taper of a few degrees so that the sides of that pattern are not quite parallel. That way, when the pattern piece is lifted out of the casting sand, it releases without pulling out chunks of sand with it. Think of it as a wedge shape is easier to pull out than a square shape.
A round,cross section is ok to get a good release from the molding sand, too. But, for grates, a round cross section isn't the best shape for support of a hot firebed. And it doesn't have edges to help break up and move ash as well during shaking.
Paul
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Very good points and I hadn't thought of that. putting a grate together and milling or grinding and 90 degree edges to a 45 should work good . I understand your point on this. I am very glad you mentioned it especially as I am working on fixing parts to go to tomahawk for my Richmond advancedSunny Boy wrote:Josh,
If you make a pattern, be advised.
As you know, the sand gets rammed in around the pattern to force the sand snuggly up against the pattern to get a uniform contact to match the shape of the pattern.
All edges of the pattern in one plain have to have a slight taper of a few degrees so that the sides of that pattern are not quite parallel. That way, when the pattern piece is lifted out of the casting sand, it releases without pulling out chunks of sand with it. Think of it as a wedge shape is easier to pull out than a square shape.
A round,cross section is ok to get a good release from the molding sand, too. But, for grates, a round cross section isn't the best shape for support of a hot firebed. And it doesn't have edges to help break up and move ash as well during shaking.
Paul
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Or, if you know someone who's decent at wood working and has a bench mounted jig, or fret saw, with a tilt table to make the angled cuts, it's an easy job to cut out a round grate pattern from wood.
Paul
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hmm I have those tools as well. Interesting idea!Sunny Boy wrote:Or, if you know someone who's decent at wood working and has a bench mounted jig, or fret saw, with a tilt table to make the angled cuts, it's an easy job to cut out a round grate pattern from wood.
Paul
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Compensate all measurements by oversizing them by 1/8 inch per foot, to account for casting shrinkage. Layout the grate shape on a piece of wood planed to thickness, or fine-grained plywood.Smokeyja wrote:hmm I have those tools as well. Interesting idea!Sunny Boy wrote:Or, if you know someone who's decent at wood working and has a bench mounted jig, or fret saw, with a tilt table to make the angled cuts, it's an easy job to cut out a round grate pattern from wood.
Paul
Drill holes to insert the blade into what will be each open space of the grate.
Set the blade angle to about 5 degrees. Or, if you can, measure and copy the relief angles of your #6 grate teeth sides and the side angles of the center span of the grate bar.
Lightly sand all edges when done.
Paul
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I had not thought about wood at all ! I'm really liking this idea .Sunny Boy wrote: Compensate all measurements by oversizing them by 1/8 inch per foot, to account for casting shrinkage. Layout the grate shape on a piece of wood planed to thickness, or fine-grained plywood.
Drill holes to insert the blade into what will be each open space of the grate.
Set the blade angle to about 5 degrees. Or, if you can, measure and copy the relief angles of your #6 grate teeth sides and the side angles of the center span of the grate bar.
Lightly sand all edges when done.
Paul
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There's a reason that foundry patterns have always been made mostly from wood - even today.Smokeyja wrote:I had not thought about wood at all ! I'm really liking this idea .Sunny Boy wrote: Compensate all measurements by oversizing them by 1/8 inch per foot, to account for casting shrinkage. Layout the grate shape on a piece of wood planed to thickness, or fine-grained plywood.
Drill holes to insert the blade into what will be each open space of the grate.
Set the blade angle to about 5 degrees. Or, if you can, measure and copy the relief angles of your #6 grate teeth sides and the side angles of the center span of the grate bar.
Lightly sand all edges when done.
Paul
Paul