Home Stove Works #25 Base Burner Restoration
- Sunny Boy
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- Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Wow, that liner is clean. Doesn't even look used.
Paul
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- Location: Pittston, Pennsylvania
- Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska 140 Dual Paddle Feed
- Baseburners & Antiques: Fame Rosemont #20, Home Stove Works #25, Glenwood #6, Happy Thought Oak, Merry Bride #214, Sunnyside, Worlds Argand #114, New Golden Sun , & About 30 others.
- Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
Yes, I had my doubts this heating season would ever end. The stove ran 24/7 exactly 6 months without an outfire.KingCoal wrote: ↑Sat. May. 05, 2018 4:43 pmawesome, and you made big heat for a long run this season.
i believe that style pot and grate system, as seen in many late highly developed base heater double heater designs, to be the apex of the design engineering.
as we know some of the larger stoves had the clam shell duplex grates, outer shaker ring AND a 2 piece pot with the lower section revolving for full de-ashing of the pot wall from top to bottom.
unfortunately soon after that many of the makers started going a bit backwards.
Unfortunately with all of the projects going on I didn't track my actual coal consumption this year. I used a combination of bulk nut and stove, bagged nut, the leftover nut/ pea combination from the old shop and a few buckets of rice and fines on those really warm days.
Next to the triangular grates on the Glenwoods, the ring and duplex clamshell combination is definitely my choice.
Paulie
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- Baseburners & Antiques: Fame Rosemont #20, Home Stove Works #25, Glenwood #6, Happy Thought Oak, Merry Bride #214, Sunnyside, Worlds Argand #114, New Golden Sun , & About 30 others.
- Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
I'm really leaning towards the brand of coal as the main culprit for the clinker buildup. There were only maybe a dozen or so times this season that I poked a hole or two from the top down to the grates to give it a little more air.
This was only necessary when I exceeded 16 or 18 hours between tending and had a large amount of ash. Rather than shake it down hard, I just gave it a small shake, just enough to drop an inch or two of coal on top from the magazine. Shaking it down too much only disturbs and breaks up the small burning bed and increases the chances of losing the fire.
I never attempted to scrape the sides of the firepot, mainly because the bed would fall on its own just from the weight of the coal from the magazine.
Other than the pink color of the refractory, your right.......... It looks like the day I put it in ! After I shook it down the only thing I did before taking the pictures was give it a few swipes with an old chip brush. There were weeks where it ran at 600* F and weeks at 200*F using a mixture of stove, nut, pea, and rice depending on the OAT's.
I'm extremely happy with its performance this season, and look forward to many more.
I already miss the warm glow and as soon as I clean it up, plan to put a light bulb inside to mimic the glow and keep the moisture out for the summer.
Paulie
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- Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
- Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
- Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace
I'm leaning that way, too.
That's based on the bridging I was getting after each 12 hour run,... the large amount of clinkers with lots of bits of fused iron in the ash,.... and the clinker/iron scale that is starting to fuse to the new Rutland castable firebricks of my #6 after just three months running.
I found that if I just poked the firebed in the middle, the sides still held, the center dropped too much fire, and the fresh coal poured out of the magazine into that hole with no firebed under it.
I figured out that it was better to do all the firebed poking gently around the outer edge of the bed. Then the firebed would all drop as one piece and not produce a hole for fresh coal to pour through to the grates.
Paul
That's based on the bridging I was getting after each 12 hour run,... the large amount of clinkers with lots of bits of fused iron in the ash,.... and the clinker/iron scale that is starting to fuse to the new Rutland castable firebricks of my #6 after just three months running.
I found that if I just poked the firebed in the middle, the sides still held, the center dropped too much fire, and the fresh coal poured out of the magazine into that hole with no firebed under it.
I figured out that it was better to do all the firebed poking gently around the outer edge of the bed. Then the firebed would all drop as one piece and not produce a hole for fresh coal to pour through to the grates.
Paul
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- Baseburners & Antiques: Fame Rosemont #20, Home Stove Works #25, Glenwood #6, Happy Thought Oak, Merry Bride #214, Sunnyside, Worlds Argand #114, New Golden Sun , & About 30 others.
- Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
Hmmmmm...... Based on your observations I'm thinking it's either the coal or mine having a suspended firepot. I had no issues at all with bridging. On a quiet day or evening it seemed like every ten minutes or so we would hear the sound a few pieces of coal falling from the magazine onto the bed.Sunny Boy wrote: ↑Wed. May. 09, 2018 9:47 amI'm leaning that way, too.
That's based on the bridging I was getting after each 12 hour run,... the large amount of clinkers with lots of bits of fused iron in the ash,.... and the clinker/iron scale that is starting to fuse to the new Rutland castable firebricks of my #6 after just three months running.
I found that if I just poked the firebed in the middle, the sides still held, the center dropped too much fire, and the fresh coal poured out of the magazine into that hole with no firebed under it.
I figured out that it was better to do all the firebed poking gently around the outer edge of the bed. Then the firebed would all drop as one piece and not produce a hole for fresh coal to pour through to the grates.
Paul
I never had to poke the bed down, as it would fall on its own with the weight of the coal in the magazine.
I really missed the nice glow this past week and had to do something about it.
I found a small piece of Plexiglas in the garage and cut a circle out of it. Got out a drop cord, glue gun, and yellow bug light, coal hod and went to work .
Fished the cord down the flue, and out the bb damper and put the bulb down on the grates.
Placed the plexiglass on top of the firepot and hot glued some pieces of nut coal to the plexiglass.
In the room behind the stove I have an outlet that is on the basement light switch. Plugged it in............ and my nice warm glow is back for the summer.
Paulie
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- Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
- Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace
Really nice job with the light setup !!!!!
We can hear the occasional scraping of coal moving down in the #6 mag, too. But after about 10-12 hours the mag is close to empty (less vertical pressure on the center of the firebed). Even if I top off the mag that's about how long it takes for the bridging to be noticeable. If I shake ashes about every 4-5 hours, no bridging at all.
Two of the last days that I ran the #6, I had I just used the Tractor Supply bagged nut. Might be coincidence, but it did not bridge after 12 hours like it does with the bulk nut.
Paul
We can hear the occasional scraping of coal moving down in the #6 mag, too. But after about 10-12 hours the mag is close to empty (less vertical pressure on the center of the firebed). Even if I top off the mag that's about how long it takes for the bridging to be noticeable. If I shake ashes about every 4-5 hours, no bridging at all.
Two of the last days that I ran the #6, I had I just used the Tractor Supply bagged nut. Might be coincidence, but it did not bridge after 12 hours like it does with the bulk nut.
Paul
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- Coal Size/Type: Nut Anth.
- Other Heating: none
Paulie, you are one smart fella. that is real nice.
- Pauliewog
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- Baseburners & Antiques: Fame Rosemont #20, Home Stove Works #25, Glenwood #6, Happy Thought Oak, Merry Bride #214, Sunnyside, Worlds Argand #114, New Golden Sun , & About 30 others.
- Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
Thanks Paul, the color of the bug light bulb is actually really close to a real coal fire in fact it fooled my daughter when she walked by the basement doorway.Sunny Boy wrote: ↑Wed. May. 09, 2018 6:23 pmReally nice job with the light setup !!!!!
We can hear the occasional scraping of coal moving down in the #6 mag, too. But after about 10-12 hours the mag is close to empty (less vertical pressure on the center of the firebed). Even if I top off the mag that's about how long it takes for the bridging to be noticeable. If I shake ashes about every 4-5 hours, no bridging at all.
Two of the last days that I ran the #6, I had I just used the Tractor Supply bagged nut. Might be coincidence, but it did not bridge after 12 hours like it does with the bulk nut.
Paul
I wonder if its worthwhile starting a thread on bridging problems to see if we can narrow it down to a certain brand of coal or type of firepot?
Paulie
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- Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
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- Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
The stove has been idling along on straight pea coal for the past few weeks wit an average surface temperature of 200* f.
Tomorrow oat's are expected to drop into the single digits so I topped off the magazine with some nut coal and cracked open the primary.
The nut coal should filter down sometime this evening and by tomorrow night I'll throttle her up a notch just in time for the cold blast.
It's been burning a little less than a pound per hour with the primary closed, and in the 5 minutes since I cracked it open a sliver it's already coming back to life.
Paulie
Tomorrow oat's are expected to drop into the single digits so I topped off the magazine with some nut coal and cracked open the primary.
The nut coal should filter down sometime this evening and by tomorrow night I'll throttle her up a notch just in time for the cold blast.
It's been burning a little less than a pound per hour with the primary closed, and in the 5 minutes since I cracked it open a sliver it's already coming back to life.
Paulie
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- Baseburners & Antiques: Fame Rosemont #20, Home Stove Works #25, Glenwood #6, Happy Thought Oak, Merry Bride #214, Sunnyside, Worlds Argand #114, New Golden Sun , & About 30 others.
- Coal Size/Type: Stove, Chesnut, Pea, Rice / Anthracite
Love these nights when the OAT's plummet below -0 and the only light in the man cave is the glow of the stove.
Paulie
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Wow!!! That looks amazing, Paulie.
Smashed the picture to make it full screen on my phone and it lit up my entire room.
Smashed the picture to make it full screen on my phone and it lit up my entire room.
- mntbugy
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I shut bedroom door half way. Can't sleep with the "lights on" in the living room all night long....lol
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- Coal Size/Type: Nut Anth.
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