Building a New Era Base Burner

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Fri. Dec. 05, 2014 12:53 pm

this will be a suspended (round)fire pot, magazine fed, thermostatically controlled, double heater type stove.

right now i'm working on satisfying the surface area to fire pot, combustion chamber to transfer to base chamber area / cross section relationships and possible internal dampening considerations on 3 diff. stove shapes.

1 ) round barrel, many common examples.

2 ) hex barrel, mica radiator variant. I call it "fish bowl" style

3 ) square box type, similar to my conversion in appearance but, single unit construction with multi angle fire view.

this probably isn't going to move much faster than my conversion and I plan to spend less time and space talking about it before there are solid decisions and plans drawn.

thanks for watching,
steve

wsherrick · Post by **wsherrick** » Fri. Dec. 05, 2014 1:02 pm

Excellent Smithers!!!!!!! I am behind you 100 percent.

Post by **franco b** » Fri. Dec. 05, 2014 1:29 pm

Will be watching with interest.

coalder · Post by **coalder** » Fri. Dec. 05, 2014 2:06 pm

franco b wrote:Will be watching with interest.

I second the motion. Good luck.
Jim

warminmn · Post by **warminmn** » Fri. Dec. 05, 2014 2:33 pm

Ive been waiting for this. I wont understand it all but I know it will be interesting to read about. Good luck

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Fri. Dec. 05, 2014 2:46 pm

well...........i just found a shape for a combustion chamber that blows my mind and would make a fantastic mica radiator style stove. i'd love to incorporate but it would probably cost me the double heater feature.

"oh, the uncertainty" !!

rberq · Post by **rberq** » Fri. Dec. 05, 2014 3:44 pm

KingCoal wrote: ... considerations on 3 diff. stove shapes ... thanks for watching

Will definitely be watching. Will the design be straightforward enough that you can sell me plans and I can get it fabricated locally by a guy with simple machine tools and welding equipment?

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Fri. Dec. 05, 2014 3:46 pm

atleast the square one would.

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Sat. Dec. 06, 2014 7:57 pm

working exclusively on the details of a "mica radiator" variant, with a heavy art deco flare.

will be able to keep the double heater feature.

steve

blrman07 · Post by **blrman07** » Sat. Dec. 06, 2014 8:55 pm

KingCoal wrote:well...........i just found a shape for a combustion chamber that blows my mind and would make a fantastic mica radiator style stove. i'd love to incorporate but it would probably cost me the double heater feature.

"oh, the uncertainty" !!

Ok I will be the one to ask the question...what the heck is a mica radiator style stove?

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Sun. Dec. 07, 2014 8:11 am

sorry I thought this had been discussed, here's a pic of one of the largest and best, I recommend the whole thread, much interesting info in it.

steve

dlj · Post by **dlj** » Sun. Dec. 07, 2014 8:40 am

rberq wrote:
KingCoal wrote: ... considerations on 3 diff. stove shapes ... thanks for watching
Will definitely be watching. Will the design be straightforward enough that you can sell me plans and I can get it fabricated locally by a guy with simple machine tools and welding equipment?

It would be better to design the fire pot, grates - anything in contact with the actual fire - out of cast iron, specifically ASTM A319. That would not be within the fabrication abilities of a local fabricator, unless you are lucky enough to have a guy capable of doing castings.

dj

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Sun. Dec. 07, 2014 8:51 am

KingCoal wrote:sorry I thought this had been discussed, here's a pic of one of the largest and best, I recommend the whole thread, much interesting info in it.

steve

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scalabro · Post by **scalabro** » Sun. Dec. 07, 2014 12:57 pm

dlj wrote:
It would be better to design the fire pot, grates - anything in contact with the actual fire - out of cast iron, specifically ASTM A319. That would not be within the fabrication abilities of a local fabricator, unless you are lucky enough to have a guy capable of doing castings.

dj

Dump the cast iron entirely for the fire pot & grates and go with a cast superalloy with a crucible ceramic liner.

And don't forget the thermal barrier coating on the firepot metal.

dlj · Post by **dlj** » Sun. Dec. 07, 2014 1:13 pm

scalabro wrote:
dlj wrote:
It would be better to design the fire pot, grates - anything in contact with the actual fire - out of cast iron, specifically ASTM A319. That would not be within the fabrication abilities of a local fabricator, unless you are lucky enough to have a guy capable of doing castings.

dj
Dump the cast iron entirely for the fire pot & grates and go with a cast superalloy with a crucible ceramic liner.

And don't forget the thermal barrier coating on the firepot metal.

Here we go again... You need to supply your data. When are you going to get your stove done up with the high tech thermal barrier coating so you can see if there is any discernible improvement in your theoretical hypothesis? Or if it's just spending lots of dollars for no benefit?

It's hard to beat a hundred years or so of actual data supporting the use of ASTM A319 material in this application compared to an untested theory...

dj