Antique Coal Stove Radiators

Post by **Rob R.** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 7:06 am

dcrane wrote:I agree with VFW totally... everyone on the (eastern half of USA at least) should be using an anthracite heater of some kind!!! people are simply unaware of it it ran (and could run) this half of the country with ease as it did for 100's of years! Its like Genghis Khan's hidden treasure right under our feet and the US Gov is throwing a big carpet over it

That is a double edged sword. I think there are some advantages to keeping quiet about it. If you aren't sure what I mean, put a big sign on your front lawn that says "I burn coal in my house" and see what happens. Within a week one of your neighbors will probably start complaining about a mysterious cough, smell, polluted ground water, etc.

The other issue is supply. Sure, there is a lot of coal in the ground, but there is a limited number of people mining and processing it. Spike demand and you will see the price follow.

dhansen · Post by **dhansen** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 7:55 am

Rob R. wrote:
dcrane wrote:I agree with VFW totally... everyone on the (eastern half of USA at least) should be using an anthracite heater of some kind!!! people are simply unaware of it it ran (and could run) this half of the country with ease as it did for 100's of years! Its like Genghis Khan's hidden treasure right under our feet and the US Gov is throwing a big carpet over it
That is a double edged sword. I think there are some advantages to keeping quiet about it. If you aren't sure what I mean, put a big sign on your front lawn that says "I burn coal in my house" and see what happens. Within a week one of your neighbors will probably start complaining about a mysterious cough, smell, polluted ground water, etc.

The other issue is supply. Sure, there is a lot of coal in the ground, but there is a limited number of people mining and processing it. Spike demand and you will see the price follow.

I rather agree. Too much publicity could be a bad thing. I'm afraid the vast majority of the American public would not be in favor of a mass resurgence in coal heating.

McGiever · Post by **McGiever** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 8:07 am

chrisbuick · Post by **chrisbuick** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 8:47 am

VFW - I'm really curious what antique stove lit and catalogs you've been able to score. I've managed to pickup a few myself.

It would be great if you could share what you have, and I'll do the same. This stuff is hard to find, and getting expensive.

Chris

vfw3439 · Post by **vfw3439** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 9:11 am

Rob R. wrote:
dcrane wrote:I agree with VFW totally... everyone on the (eastern half of USA at least) should be using an anthracite heater of some kind!!! people are simply unaware of it it ran (and could run) this half of the country with ease as it did for 100's of years! Its like Genghis Khan's hidden treasure right under our feet and the US Gov is throwing a big carpet over it
That is a double edged sword. I think there are some advantages to keeping quiet about it. If you aren't sure what I mean, put a big sign on your front lawn that says "I burn coal in my house" and see what happens. Within a week one of your neighbors will probably start complaining about a mysterious cough, smell, polluted ground water, etc.

The other issue is supply. Sure, there is a lot of coal in the ground, but there is a limited number of people mining and processing it. Spike demand and you will see the price follow.

There are several abandoned anthracite mines and breakers in NE Pennsylvania. 20 years ago there were over 100 independent anthracite mines in PA and today there are less than 10. The coal is there (hundreds of years worth) and many miners are out of work so some demand could also put some people back to work and reopen some mines. My point is the Federal Government needs to stop the war on coal and let the small mines operate and stop forcing them out of business. With the largest coal reserves in the world it could solve several energy cost issues in our great country. I know coal isn't perfect but it's a lot better than $6 a gallon for oil/gas that some are predicting in the next few years.

vfw3439 · Post by **vfw3439** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 9:14 am

chrisbuick wrote:VFW - I'm really curious what antique stove lit and catalogs you've been able to score. I've managed to pickup a few myself.

It would be great if you could share what you have, and I'll do the same. This stuff is hard to find, and getting expensive.

Chris

I will work on a list and post it. If you search some of my older posts I uploaded a bunch of stove catalogs in pdf format a while ago.

Post by **Rob R.** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 9:45 am

My point is the Federal Government needs to stop the war on coal and let the small mines operate and stop forcing them out of business.

I couldn't agree more. They need to get their nose out of a LOT of things.

dlj · Post by **dlj** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 10:20 am

vfw3439 wrote:
That is a double edged sword. I think there are some advantages to keeping quiet about it. If you aren't sure what I mean, put a big sign on your front lawn that says "I burn coal in my house" and see what happens. Within a week one of your neighbors will probably start complaining about a mysterious cough, smell, polluted ground water, etc.

The other issue is supply. Sure, there is a lot of coal in the ground, but there is a limited number of people mining and processing it. Spike demand and you will see the price follow.

There are several abandoned anthracite mines and breakers in NE Pennsylvania. 20 years ago there were over 100 independent anthracite mines in PA and today there are less than 10. The coal is there (hundreds of years worth) and many miners are out of work so some demand could also put some people back to work and reopen some mines. My point is the Federal Government needs to stop the war on coal and let the small mines operate and stop forcing them out of business. With the largest coal reserves in the world it could solve several energy cost issues in our great country. I know coal isn't perfect but it's a lot better than $6 a gallon for oil/gas that some are predicting in the next few years.

We have hundreds of years of coal reserves, but that includes all grades of coal. According to a 2009 study by Marston, we only have 38 years of anthracite reserves in the US. See: http://www.marston.com/portals/0/coaltrans_antra_ ... d_2009.pdf

dj

ntp71 · Post by **ntp71** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 10:32 am

A simple, yet effective design.

vfw3439 · Post by **vfw3439** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 1:00 pm

As of 2009 the Pennsylvania Anthracite Counsel estimates there are 4 to 6 Billion tons of anthracite remaining in the NEPA region with 300 to 500 years of Anthracite reserves still remain in the ground today. Please see attached. I find less than 40 years of anthracite remaining a little off from 300-500 years. In my humble opinion I would think the Pennsylvania Anthracite Counsel folks are in the middle of the anthracite region and have hands on knowledge.

CoalHeat · Post by **CoalHeat** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 1:11 pm

Those coal stove radiators are very interesting. Thanks for posting about them.

DePippo79 · Post by **DePippo79** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 1:27 pm

Cool pieces. Anyone notice the prices? $4.25-$6.50. Ah the good ol days. Keep the old stuff coming. Matt

dlj · Post by **dlj** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 4:15 pm

vfw3439 wrote:As of 2009 the Pennsylvania Anthracite Counsel estimates there are 4 to 6 Billion tons of anthracite remaining in the NEPA region with 300 to 500 years of Anthracite reserves still remain in the ground today. Please see attached. I find less than 40 years of anthracite remaining a little off from 300-500 years. In my humble opinion I would think the Pennsylvania Anthracite Counsel folks are in the middle of the anthracite region and have hands on knowledge.

Well there's a diverging point of view.

300 to 500 years is a very long time, and honestly, I don't believe that number for a minute. The World Coal Institute claims world wide coal reserves, including all grades of coal, to be 160 years - and that's world wide reserves of all grades of coal. That number seems reasonable. The paper you posted does not talk about how they came up with the 300 to 500 years number while the one I posted it is laid out, you can do your own calculations from the data given. While I agree that the PAC is in the middle of the anthracite region, they also are not an unbiased source. I'm certainly not an expert on the subject so I can't do more than just read what others publish....

dj

Sunny Boy · Post by **Sunny Boy** » Sat. Feb. 08, 2014 6:56 pm

Maybe they came up with 300-500 years because they saw how many base heaters are getting restored and put back into service ?

Or, are some of the ones saying we'll run out sooner, the same experts that, back in 1977, said we'd run out of oil in 25 years ?

I think "guess-timates" is a better description of what many experts do when predicting our "energy reserves".

Paul

vfw3439 · Post by **vfw3439** » Sun. Feb. 09, 2014 12:54 pm

dlj wrote:
vfw3439 wrote:As of 2009 the Pennsylvania Anthracite Counsel estimates there are 4 to 6 Billion tons of anthracite remaining in the NEPA region with 300 to 500 years of Anthracite reserves still remain in the ground today. Please see attached. I find less than 40 years of anthracite remaining a little off from 300-500 years. In my humble opinion I would think the Pennsylvania Anthracite Counsel folks are in the middle of the anthracite region and have hands on knowledge.
Well there's a diverging point of view.

300 to 500 years is a very long time, and honestly, I don't believe that number for a minute. The World Coal Institute claims world wide coal reserves, including all grades of coal, to be 160 years - and that's world wide reserves of all grades of coal. That number seems reasonable. The paper you posted does not talk about how they came up with the 300 to 500 years number while the one I posted it is laid out, you can do your own calculations from the data given. While I agree that the PAC is in the middle of the anthracite region, they also are not an unbiased source. I'm certainly not an expert on the subject so I can't do more than just read what others publish....

dj

I will make you a deal DJ. If we run out of Anthracite in 38 years I will buy you 5 cases of Yuengling Lager and if we don't run out you buy me 5 cases.

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