Restoring My Wehrle 112 Acme Sunburst Baseburner

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Post Sat. Dec. 14, 2013 2:10 pm

jubileejerry wrote:It looks like I already need some help with this thread...I'm new here and I realize it's different here than on other forums I belong to, so I probably won't do everything right at first. For some reason quite a few pictures have been removed or deleted somehow, but I didn't do it myself. I use Photobucket normally, as I have this time. Is there an issue here with using pics from there or did Photobucket possibly do something to them? I've never had this happen before. Any Ideas? I don't want to keep going if I'm doing something wrong. Jerry
It's better to embed the photos into the post you're making rather than use a link to a third party. That way they stay here.

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Post Sat. Dec. 14, 2013 2:16 pm

Putting pictures up here is very easy once you learn how to do it.

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Post Sat. Dec. 14, 2013 8:39 pm

simply put your photos on your computers desktop (or anyplace you know where to locate them)... start your thread or post (you will then see the "options & upload attachments tabs" below... click on the tab that says "upload attachments" ... then click the "browse" button... locate the photo you wish to upload and double click it!... wait for it to upload then press the "add the file" button and your done! repeat as many as 5 times for each post (if you have 10 photos you wish to upload than you would simply make 2 posts consecutive to do it :clap:

now PLEEEZE put the Wehrle photos back up :up:

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Post Sat. Dec. 14, 2013 11:11 pm

Thank you guys for the advice. I will redo the pics, but it looks like I will have the best luck taking them all out of Photobucket and putting them back on my computer to correctly load them here. It will take me a while to get that done and organize everything again. I have been putting pictures on other forums for a long time now and they always wanted them hosted somewhere else, hence the reason I have them all stored that way. This forum seems to be the opposite. I still have some of my pics on the camera and I will get them put with all the others. I haven't been well for a while and need to have a surgery next Tuesday so bear with me. I promise to get it done, but it will be slow going. Here are some of the pics that were accidently deleted:
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Stovecloseupfrontcleanedtopflash.jpg
Beforestoverear.jpg
Beforestoverear2.jpg

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Post Sat. Dec. 14, 2013 11:15 pm

Beautiful stove!
Heating a circa 1832 farmhouse with a Harman Magnafire Mark I & a 1959 EFM 350 (heating DHW).
100% Oil Free!
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Post Sat. Dec. 14, 2013 11:23 pm

Thank you! Coalcracker, you're right about restoring old things. I was raised with Ford and Oliver tractors, so that's where my heart is when it comes to the old tractors we restore at our business, but other brands come in, and I have the attitude that even though they're not my favorites, the history and reputations behind each one requires my total respect. If it were only about money, I would want nothing to do with a lot of the things we do, but it's not just about that. It's about my customers' feelings, their family histories and the stories we get to hear about the items they bring us. The satisfaction we get from bringing back something that's been unusable for a long time is fantastic. Jerry

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Post Sun. Dec. 15, 2013 6:32 am

You've got one amazing stove! Wow... It's more ornate than a queen's guard. Thank you so much for sharing!

The little "mistake" from the factory. Gosh, I don't know..... I'd give consideration to leaving it as it is....for two reasons. Either way could be the right choice, but I want to give you food for thought. One would be simply because that's how it was made, but two, it might be almost impossible to carve it and have it look perfect, or even very good. If it's cut, ground, carved and doesn't look right then you're looking at what...welding it back in & trying to smooth it before it's plated? I might forever be scarred.

I'm anxious to see how it comes along. *smile*
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Post Sun. Dec. 15, 2013 8:32 am

Freddy wrote:You've got one amazing stove! Wow... It's more ornate than a queen's guard. Thank you so much for sharing!

The little "mistake" from the factory. Gosh, I don't know..... I'd give consideration to leaving it as it is....for two reasons. Either way could be the right choice, but I want to give you food for thought. One would be simply because that's how it was made, but two, it might be almost impossible to carve it and have it look perfect, or even very good. If it's cut, ground, carved and doesn't look right then you're looking at what...welding it back in & trying to smooth it before it's plated? I might forever be scarred.

I'm anxious to see how it comes along. *smile*
I agree. My business is antique restoration also. What many don't understand about restoration is, the first rule is, "preservation".

I see over restored cars all the time. I see cars painted colors that never existed when these cars were new, but the colors get picked with the view of what looks good to modern eyes. And I see plating were none ever was because some car owners think "more is better".

What's happened with 60-70 years of antique auto restorations is, that it's getting to the point very few people know what these cars really looked like when new, but they think the cars have been "restored to new". And, sadly, cars in museums are some of the worst examples.

Everytime an original "mistake" is changed, history is change along with it. And as such, future perspective is changed too. These things were built by people who were no more perfect in their daily lives than we are in ours. Excepting a few of us. :D

I feel that perfecting the past shouldn't be part of restoration if restoring these old stoves back to what they really were is the main goal. If changes are to be made to adapt or improve an antique, such as electrifying old oil lamps, I look to see if it can be done so that it's easily reversible and doesn't damage or permanently change original parts. Then, at least history is preserved.

I vote leave the goof - it shows that beauty of a stove was made by humans. :D

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Post Sun. Dec. 15, 2013 8:54 am

Very nice stove.
Like Paul said , try to keep the stove as day one is always a good way to restore something. When I try some modifs on my stoves I keep in mind that it should be removable if wanting the stove like when new. But sometimes some corrections should be made to overcome the abused made on a 100Yrs + antique...
Good luck for the nenx days

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Post Sun. Dec. 15, 2013 2:30 pm

To "fix" something from it's original condition is a matter of perspective. Do you think more were made that way, probably not. My guess would be the whistle blew at quitin' time and it was time to go home and the the part got moved along to the next set of hands. There was an old saying about buying a car built on a Monday (hang over) or Friday (working on a hang over) :lol: What you have here is a one of a kind so why change that. There is value in that, like having a collectible coin and then a collectible coin that is missing the date $$$$. just my .02.
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Post Sun. Dec. 15, 2013 6:39 pm

I thought about all the comments about leaving the "flaw" alone and they make a lot of sense, but I'm going to fix it. My attitude is that it's just a matter of making it like the designer wanted it, and I'm not adding or taking away anything. I also don't want anyone to think I caused the defect when working on the stove and I won't have to explain anything to anyone...they won't notice it at all now. I have been fortunate in other areas of this stove as far as preserving the originality of the piece. I was able to save all but one of the original screws and nuts that held it together, and that was a big thing because there are a LOT of them. The one I won't use again appeared to have been made wrong. It had a very odd crack in it. I enjoyed looking at each and every one of them. I'm used to new screws and nuts being very consistent but these old originals aren't consistent at all. The screwdriver slots are cut off to the side instead of centered on the head, sometimes even the head isn't centered on the screw and a lot of the holes in the nuts are off-center. I also figured out how to get the door knobs and latch arms apart to enable the plater to re-nickle the knobs and allow me to re-install them back into the doors. I will have the knobs plated like before but the latch arms will be bare and riveted on the knobs the same as they originally were. I guess what I'm saying is I just want to put things back like they're supposed to be without overdoing it. There are four trim pieces around the base and the back one wasn't plated like the front and sides were, so I will leave it like that. I suppose the factory didn't do it because it wasn't out front where people would see it. Jerry

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Post Wed. Dec. 18, 2013 9:33 pm

Here are some closeup pics of the little "Flower Nuts" that are used throughout the stove. I was very careful to keep close track of them so none were lost because I have no idea where I'd find replacements. They were all nickle-plated at one time.
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stove flower nut. 2.jpg
stove heating grille.jpg
I think this grille on the back of the stove is pretty, too.
stove top repaire.jpg
The repair I did to the stove top. The curl on the right side comes all the way around like I did the left side, it just doesn't show up in the picture very well.

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Post Thu. Dec. 19, 2013 6:55 am

holy crap Jerry that stove is just awesomeness! thanks for putting the photo's back for us :clap: Ill ask Rob to edit the 1st post to remove the bad links and place one nice main photo back their. cant wait to see you continue to progress on this one!

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Post Thu. Dec. 19, 2013 7:11 am

Those flower nuts are cool. Nice detailing.

Good job with the scroll too.

Looks like the sandblaster found some pin-holing. Are you going to braze them, or leave them for the plater ?

Paul
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Post Thu. Dec. 19, 2013 8:07 am

jubileejerry wrote:It looks like I already need some help with this thread...I'm new here and I realize it's different here than on other forums I belong to, so I probably won't do everything right at first. For some reason quite a few pictures have been removed or deleted somehow, but I didn't do it myself. I use Photobucket normally, as I have this time. Is there an issue here with using pics from there or did Photobucket possibly do something to them? I've never had this happen before. Any Ideas? I don't want to keep going if I'm doing something wrong. Jerry
If something gets moved to a different folder in Photobucket, it breaks the link. We prefer you upload pictures to the forum directly (as you did in the posts above), to avoid this. People searching for old information often pull up threads that are years old, and it is frustrating if there is a bunch of broken links.


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