Restoring My Wehrle 112 Acme Sunburst Baseburner

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Post Tue. Feb. 25, 2014 11:07 am

This is going to be phenomenal when this is completed. I love seeing quality work being carried on. First when they were built, back then people took pride in their work, and now your carrying on the tradition. Can't wait to see the finished pictures.


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Post Tue. Feb. 25, 2014 12:18 pm

Yes, fantastic restoration job. So nice to see the evolution, but I just hope to see that beauty burning soo.
I feel sad wen I see restoration jobs completed but NEVER see the sove anymore :(

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Post Tue. Feb. 25, 2014 8:34 pm

jubileejerry wrote:
SWPaDon wrote:I'll tell you what...............

I wouldn't want to be in jubileejerry's shoes. That man has documented every part of this rebuild!

Can you imagine the pressure on this man to not only attempt this , but to document it with photos. Lord god almighty.............I wouldn't have attempted it.

You sir are one hell of an artist and my hat goes off to you.

I just hope that you and your brother don't stop here, because you are one hell of a team. And I hope that other people realize that you may have missed your calling................................
All of you are very kind. I really enjoy what I do, and this is special because it's my own and I wanted something that can "showcase" what we do at our shop. People actually do hire us to do things like this for them, but it's mostly tractors. We do have a '31 Ford Model A in the shop right now though. I didn't join this forum to drum up business, I just have the idea that a build thread like this ought to be thorough and show all the steps it takes, not just the good stuff. How else will someone learn from it? If anyone is interested, my website is http://www.walthillservice.com. I need to update the pictures but I don't know how. The person who built the website moved away and I need to contact him to get help and put some newer photos on the site. Anyway, this is just for your entertainment, not to get any business. Thanks for letting me hang out here. Jerry
I wish you were closer. I have a 1949 Ford 8N that needs to be restored. Chad
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Post Mon. Mar. 10, 2014 7:59 am

Beautiful restoration job! You must be close to burning some coal in that by now?
Rob

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Post Mon. Mar. 10, 2014 9:52 am

northernmainecoal wrote:Beautiful restoration job! You must be close to burning some coal in that by now?
I wish I was, but progress is slow. I have found more cracks as I bead-blasted the parts and have been concentrating on making everything safe to use. I have to work slowly because I can't move around very well and standing up is difficult, but it's getting better. I was involved in an accident on my '74 Electra Glide last June where a lady with a suspended driver's license and a borrowed car made a left turn directly in front of me at about 40mph. I came close to not making it and nearly lost the lower part of my left leg. I am finally learning to walk again after 9 surgeries and skin grafts.
Thank you for the compliment, and I will be posting more progress soon. I'm at a point where I can start to think about re-assembly. One major headache turned out to be the lower ash pan which had a long crack in it and when I tried to weld it the way it was designed made it warp like a lp record left in the sun. I might have to fabricate a replacement. I don't want to try to work with the original one any more because it's still in one piece and could be recast if someday I find a way to have it done. For now, I think the right thing to do is make a substitute and save the original. Jerry

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Post Sun. Oct. 26, 2014 4:18 pm

Well, I'm back again! I had a few set-backs in life and other things had to take priority over the stove, plus I didn't want to work on it if I couldn't concentrate completely. Sometimes that makes a person cut corners. I had some bad luck with my plater. The guy that worked on the parts forgot to do some items, like the little caps that adorn the hinge pins and I found a large crack in one piece that appeared to be fresh, as though it had been dropped in the buffing process before plating. I had to weld it and take it back to the guy to do over, along with all the hinge caps. I provided screws to hold the caps so he'd have something to tie the copper wires to. My son included a piece for his Harley to be chromed and I took everything back to get finished. After waiting several weeks and hearing nothing I called the plater and was told the guy didn't work there anymore and they didn't know anything about our parts. Evidently he had been doing my work on the sly and hadn't reported it to the bosses. That's probably why he wanted the $1500 in cash and really didn't want to give me a receipt. On top of everything else I asked for the finial to be brass plated like it used to be and when I looked at it he'd done it in nickle. He said "Don't worry, it'll turn yellow with time." It took them 3 more weeks to find them, then 4 more to get them plated. On top of all that they charged another $85 to let me have them back. To put the icing on the cake they lost one of the hinge caps. You can see it was on the screw when the plating was done because only part of the screw is plated. The guy said they'd tried to look for it but the tanks are 8ft. deep and it's about impossible to find something that small. I handed him my check and told him "Enjoy this one, because it's the last one you'll ever get from me!" I will either have to make another one or hope someone out there might have a couple of original caps in their bin that I could buy.

I have been assembling the stove, and have more pictures and stories to share now.

I put most of the parts in the paint booth and painted the back sides with high temp black paint and used the stove black on the
front sides to give the outside the proper finish. When I polish them with a rag I don't try to get down in all the little places, and it really brings out the 3-D features of the cast iron. I do each piece individually so when I put it together the nickle-plated screws and nuts look nice like they should.
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Post Sun. Oct. 26, 2014 8:39 pm

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This is what the guy lost. Does anyone have a couple of these in their collection, or could someone give me some leads on who in this business might have some I could buy?

I had a great experience with another shop, though. I discovered a long hairline crack right down the middle of the ash pan bottom plate and even with my best efforts I couldn't weld it to my satisfaction. Even though I pre-heated it and tried the torch and then the tig, it warped like an LP record in the sun. I stopped before I totally destroyed it and researched this forum to find a good foundry. I contacted the Tomahawk Foundry in Michigan and they said they could handle the project for a very fair price. I sent them the piece and after a couple of weeks I got it back with the new copy, but my excitement was ruined when I looked at the new one. At first it looked ok but a closer look revealed a crack in it like the original one, and when I held it up to the light I could see a lot of pinholes going completely through it. I called Tomahawk and asked what we could try. He said it was an extremely difficult part because it was so thin and the molten cast iron was freezing too quickly in the mold. I asked him if I were able to make the pattern thicker, could that work? He was sure it would so I had an idea that worked great. I carefully leveled the piece on my table, then poured activated fiberglass resin in it. The resin leveled out beautifully and I got the thickness I wanted without taking away any of the original features of the part. I flipped it over and used body filler to smooth out the old cracked area, then sent both pieces back to Tomahawk. In just a few days they sent me the new part back and it's fantastic. It fit perfectly in the stove. I think it's a better piece than the original because it's certainly stronger. I will go back to Tomahawk again after the way they treated me.
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Post Sun. Oct. 26, 2014 11:58 pm

I'm really sorry about your experience with the platers. It seems that the plating industry has more than its fair share of crooks. We've had several other members who have had real problems with dishonest platers. There was even one instance where one of the Forum members sneaked into the plating company and retrieved parts deemed lost.
I hope you can find another cap. It's a little thing but it's important. Another one will surface at some point.

And as far as Tomahawk goes, all of the professional stove restorers use them. I haven't heard of a bad experience with them yet.
Keep up the good work and we hope to see a fire in this stove this winter.


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Post Mon. Oct. 27, 2014 6:40 am

Now I can begin to show the assembly of the stove. I have been carefully sealing each seam with stove cement and trying not to get it all over everything. It can be messy for sure! First I trial-fit the part in order to see how to apply the cement, then when I'm done putting the part on I use a knife to trim any excess that oozes to the outside. I don't worry about what is on the inside of the stove where it isn't visible. When I took the stove apart it was obvious the original assembly person(s) didn't worry about that either. When there are more than one part that go together at once, like on the lower back and sides I never tighten one until it's all together so all the screws are putting even pressure on the stove parts. If only one part is installed and the screws are tightened up, the part can't budge to close gaps between it and the next part. The result is some bolts are over-tightened and could cause cracks in the stove parts.
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Post Tue. Oct. 28, 2014 8:57 pm

I have more pictures of the assembly process. I'm trying to take a picture of each step to document all of it for someone's future reference so it might be annoying to some to see the same views many times, but each one will have something new. I kept a detailed list of all the fasteners I took off the stove during the dismantling and I'm really glad I did now. There's no way my memory is good enough to recall all of them. I noted the length, diameter, type of head and what kind of nut was used in each place on the stove. I thought I took a lot of pictures when I took the stove apart, but now I wish I had taken even more, especially close-ups. I've already shown how the sides, back and bottom go together so I'm starting here with the ash pan floor and the front panel. Here we go...
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After the sides and back were assembled the ash pan floor and front panel could be installed.
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rear inner panel. Creates a chamber for the firepot, the exhaust to the chimney, and a hot air duct that goes from the underside of the ash pan up to the top rear of the stove.
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Hot air duct in place.
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Upper duct panel installed. Completes the hot air duct up the middle, valves will be installed to direct the exhaust.
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Post Wed. Oct. 29, 2014 7:10 am

That's quite the jigsaw puzzle ! Great work. That'll be fantastic when your done !!!!!!

Paul
So many stoves - so few chimneys. I must be coal-stone crazy.

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Post Wed. Oct. 29, 2014 7:51 am

This is the part where I always get nervous. The evil forgotten piece that forces you to take it all back apart and do it over. Stuff like that makes me wonder if I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Post Thu. Oct. 30, 2014 10:48 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:That's quite the jigsaw puzzle ! Great work. That'll be fantastic when your done !!!!!!

Paul
Thank you Paul!
wsherrick wrote:This is the part where I always get nervous. The evil forgotten piece that forces you to take it all back apart and do it over. Stuff like that makes me wonder if I can walk and chew gum at the same time.
That's funny! It actually already happened. I was cleaning up one night and found a piece under some papers I had used for packing some parts, and absolutely couldn't remember what it was or where it went. I looked through my operator's manual and it was nowhere in the illustration. I figured I'd have to tear the whole thing down again, but couldn't imagine any place in there where it could fit. I hadn't put on the hopper yet and all of a sudden I could see where it went, in the hopper. It was a perforated baffle plate. I'll show it later, but it sure was nice to go home and get some sleep.

With the large baffle plate installed I was ready for the grates to go in, then the shaker ring. I still can't believe the great condition of these pieces! I had to make sure the shaker ring was aimed the right way so later the special tool could be inserted through the side to shake it.
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The sides could go on then.
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Post Fri. Oct. 31, 2014 4:22 am

This not only shows a terrific, and complex job, it points out that while the going-back-together pictures are great, the most important pictures are the ones of each step as it comes apart. They can save a lot of head scratching and turning the air blue later on trying to figure out what goes where, . . and when !!!!!

I pull antique cars apart for a living. Cars that have about 10,000 parts each. And there is always several apart at the same time, plus individual components customers send me to rebuild. Then , sometimes years later they have to go back together. Think anyone can remember where all those parts came off ? Not me , that's for sure.

Someone, once asked me what tools I use the most. That was easy - a camera before, during, and after, and on every work day ! My pocket digital goes to work with me every morning and home at night to download the day's pictures and store them on flash drive to be used later.

Paul
So many stoves - so few chimneys. I must be coal-stone crazy.

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Post Sat. Nov. 01, 2014 8:17 am

I'm glad to see this thread resurrected, I was following it intently and it just disappeared.

Sorry to hear that they lost one of the parts, but thank goodness you got the rest of them back. I can't wait to see the finished stove up and running.


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