New Hand Fired Base Burner

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 3:14 pm

Why arent these manufactured any longer?

One would think with modern mfg methods and materials we could improve on the the design further.

I want one.

Discuss!


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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 3:18 pm

Won't you be surprised to learn that the only thing modern technology could do for these tried & true old units--is screw them up--KISS, a dying art with the brainiacs :( toothy

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 3:34 pm

Are you serious?

A few things come to mind on why this hasn't happened.

1) People are LAZY thermostats are in every home in America.
2) government regulations on solid fuel appliances won't even allow one to be your primary source of heat.
3) finding quality craftsman to reproduce and creat these new units would be a fooking joke. I can't even get guys to show up everyday for mindless labor.
4) coal isn't readily available beyond NE pennsyltuky.

I could keep going, but...I don't think the market would sustain a new manufacture. Just look how many old fully restored ones are sitting waiting for new homes at all of the restoration shops.

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 3:45 pm

is #2 actually true ?

you mean the gas company guy that came around after I moved in this house and shut the gas off to the furnace and the bill went from $300+ a month on budget to like $20.00 for heating water was telling the truth when he told me "you can't do that" and I threw him off the property ?

Hmmm, wonder why he's never been back ? that was 16+ yrs. ago.

maybe I made a bigger impression on him than him on me. :lol:

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 3:51 pm

Coal stoves are not where its at in terms of a market for them. Compared to wood and pellet stoves they are a drop in the bucket. If the market were big enough then it would be justified, and even then they would be much more expensive than the fabricated steel stoves that are made, which is where the makers expertise lies. If it were a copy of an antique then it would have to sell for less money than the expertly restored antique because most buyers (I think) would prefer the antique.

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 4:22 pm

I would not be comfortable with running a 100 year old rock burning appliance in my house while I'm sleeping, YOMV!

But a new one made here in the USA I'd buy in a heartbeat.

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 4:31 pm

Well hell Gekko, that's why you'll never belong to the Baseburner fraternity :) Personally, I've got a lot more confidence that's been being used for 100 or 200 yrs than a lot of this throw away stuff on the market today! :clap: toothy

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 4:42 pm

Fred,
I agree that the design is sound...I differ in the integrity of a 100 year old appliance, and for the record, I really want to be part of the Frat but won't be able to sleep at night for fear that one night a fatigue crack will open up a casting and I'll sleep forever.


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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 5:01 pm

Gekko wrote:Fred,
I agree that the design is sound...I differ in the integrity of a 100 year old appliance, and for the record, I really want to be part of the Frat but won't be able to sleep at night for fear that one night a fatigue crack will open up a casting and I'll sleep forever.
So what your saying is you want one that has been approved for use by the goberment. Unless you have their blessing it can't possibly be safe. ???

If a crack was to occur in your stove(lord only knows why) and your draft wasn't enough to carry away any carbon monoxide, ( no pressure inside, just negative draw) then your CO detectors all failed to alert you. I could see why you'd be afraid to join the club. There are pros and cons of everything you do. In this instance I think the pros far outweigh the cons.
I guess the frat boys are '"living on the edge"

Just kidding with you Gekko, I think you are really worrying about a non issue when it comes to blazing rocks. If you burn oil CO is produced. If you burn propane CO is produced. The only thing I know of that doesn't produce CO is wood and I'm not going to recommend burning wood for safety.

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 5:58 pm

I think the bottom line is that people that go with the base burner either purchase it re-furbished or have the know- how of doing it themselves. If you are not confident in your own ability to safely do the refurb (and many people are not) then by all means, if purchasing one, use a reputable person that is experienced in doing it.

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 7:23 pm

If I had one and a nice place to operate it I'd use it all the time! Them things are beautiful and I've only seen em in pictures!!

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 7:42 pm

There is no real comparrison to todays stoves and the BB's of yesteryear. I have one of each. While I LOVE my brand spanking 2014 Chubby that isn't even available for sale yet, my Crawford Base Burner is in a whole differant league. At 6:20 pm tonight I shook the BB down and added coal. She was sitting at 400 degrees. The last time I touched her was over 30 hours ago. Flue temp around 175f. Their is no "hopper" or magazine feature with this stove. It is a heat machine that uses very little coal. Safety you say? I sleep like a BABY when she is keeping me warm!

To think this BB stove is close too if not over 100 years old. She is in awesome shape and will be even better once the guys at the Stove Hospital do their thing.

I have a feeling there will be a new BB designed and on the market in the next few years. But don't tell anybody... SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH! :idea:

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 8:16 pm

ONEDOLLAR wrote:
I have a feeling there will be a new BB designed and on the market in the next few years. But don't tell anybody... SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH! :idea:
oh THAT will be the most awesome thing I can imagine. drooooool

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 8:53 pm

Its just a matter of re-educating people a little. Most don't know what a base burner is. I know I didnt until a few years ago. But I think if the general population had a choice between using an antique or a new one, most would buy the new one. just my 2 cents

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Post Thu. Nov. 21, 2013 9:29 pm

I agree....I think the market is not there BECAUSE a top quality new one is not made.

Re building an old one would be childs play for me :mrgreen: , (I've been a jet aircraft mechanic for over thirty years) but the thought of a 100 year old casting that has been heat cycled thousands of times, with no documented provenance, scares the *censored* out of me.


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