Red Cross Ensign #37 Questions

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slinger100
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Baseburners & Antiques: Red Cross Ensign 37, Florence Hot Blast 153, Favorite, others
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Post Sun. Jan. 05, 2014 3:30 pm

Thanks selectove. Where is this stove?

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Combustioneer 77b
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Baseburners & Antiques: Red Cross Ensign 37, Florence Hot Blast 153, Favorite, others
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: ds machine #4 1600 circulator
Stove/Furnace Model: ds machine#4 1600 circulator
Location: central ohio

Post Sun. Jan. 05, 2014 3:33 pm

Thanks Selecstove. Very nice pic. Where is this stove and is it for sale?

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Post Sun. Jan. 05, 2014 6:44 pm

and what of the others ??
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Post Sun. Jan. 05, 2014 6:59 pm

I think their is a Red Cross posted in the museum thread here Antique Parlor Coal Stove Museum (it was for sale under $5k, not sure if its still available)


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Post Mon. Jan. 06, 2014 12:52 pm

It is mine. Here it is before restoration. Wings are red because. I bought them years before I bought the stove. I blasted and painted them with cheap paint to seal & hung em from the rafters in wait for this stove. Got the stove home & couldn't wait to get them on. John
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slinger100
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Combustioneer 77b
Hand Fed Coal Stove: D.S. 1600 circulator
Baseburners & Antiques: Red Cross Ensign 37, Florence Hot Blast 153, Favorite, others
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: ds machine #4 1600 circulator
Stove/Furnace Model: ds machine#4 1600 circulator
Location: central ohio

Post Mon. Jan. 06, 2014 6:13 pm

Great job selecstove! Could you please post a picture of the grates? Mine are missing and im not positive what to look for in a replacement.

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Post Mon. Jan. 06, 2014 8:07 pm

The Red Cross Ensign represents the very best Base Burner that can be made. It is of beautiful appearance, handsomely decorated in out new plain ornamentation.
Fire pot is constructed almost straight and is easily removable through upper doors. Removable magazine, double swing cover, crew draft register, large ash pan and other exceptional features.
Great heating power with an economical consumption of fuel.
No. 36 Single Heater; No. 37 Single Heater; No. 38 Single Heater
No. 136, Double Heater; No. 137 Double Heater; No. 138 Double Heater
Diameter of the Fire Pot
Nos. 36 and 136 12 1/2 inch Nos. 37 and 137, 14 inch Nos. 38 and 138 15 1/2 inch

Every Red Cross Ensign receives a rigid inspection before leaving our factory. All parts must be perfectly fitted and mounted to produce an absolutely clean and dust-proof heater.
The flues are scientific in construction and do not involve any excess heat travel. A direct flue to the base burner thoroughly heats every corner of one portion of the stove on the down travel, and on the return the remaining portion is likewise heated. All other so-called superior flue systems are but talking points as excess flue strips, divisions, etc. are absorbing vital heat that would otherwise be radiated as a heating power.
When a double heater is used, our method of construction guarantees a full volume of heat for the room above and easy regulation of heat at all times.

So there you have it. That's from the 1920 Red Cross catalog and you now know what a wonderful purchase you made, and you can look down your nose at all others! It honestly looks like a nice stove. I wish they would have put weights and prices in the catalog, but for whatever reason, they didn't. There was a certain amount of inflation going on in the early 20's and that may be why. They wouldn't have to re-print the catalog as often, and could just send out price sheet instead.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Combustioneer 77b
Hand Fed Coal Stove: D.S. 1600 circulator
Baseburners & Antiques: Red Cross Ensign 37, Florence Hot Blast 153, Favorite, others
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: ds machine #4 1600 circulator
Stove/Furnace Model: ds machine#4 1600 circulator
Location: central ohio

Post Tue. Jan. 07, 2014 9:31 am

Thanks Earl. Once I find the center grate and finish the new mica windows it will be ready to fire. It hasn't been used much if at all. I can't find any signs of ash or soot in the stove at all. The gentleman I bought it from said he picked it up decades ago at a flea market in New York and just used it for decoration. The only problem is that over the years a few parts were misplaced. When this treasure hunt is over I should have an almost new condition Red Cross baseburner.


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Post Tue. Jan. 07, 2014 9:36 am

That looks like it has quite a large magazine in that picture. It'll be interesting to see what kind of burn times it gets.

Paul
So many stoves - so few chimneys. I must be coal-stone crazy.

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Post Tue. Jan. 07, 2014 9:43 am

slinger100 wrote:Thanks Earl. Once I find the center grate and finish the new mica windows it will be ready to fire. It hasn't been used much if at all. I can't find any signs of ash or soot in the stove at all. The gentleman I bought it from said he picked it up decades ago at a flea market in New York and just used it for decoration. The only problem is that over the years a few parts were misplaced. When this treasure hunt is over I should have an almost new condition Red Cross baseburner.
Slinger,
Have you tried calling Woodsman's Parts Plus ? When I called, I found out that they have many grates that are not listed on their website, but could be looked up by stove model.

Paul
So many stoves - so few chimneys. I must be coal-stone crazy.

slinger100
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Posts: 77
Joined: Mon. Jul. 25, 2011 4:09 pm
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Combustioneer 77b
Hand Fed Coal Stove: D.S. 1600 circulator
Baseburners & Antiques: Red Cross Ensign 37, Florence Hot Blast 153, Favorite, others
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: ds machine #4 1600 circulator
Stove/Furnace Model: ds machine#4 1600 circulator
Location: central ohio

Post Tue. Jan. 07, 2014 10:02 am

Paul, I was just looking at their website. I will call them and maybe I'llget lucky.

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Post Tue. Jan. 07, 2014 6:55 pm

Is it the whole grate you need, or just the dump part? I have a stove that has a very similar grate and I can measure it and see if it might work. Tomahawk Foundry can re-cast one. You might be able to get one of the guys that has a mate to your stove so send it out to them. I can't imagine it costing over $150 to get those parts re-cast. Many of those grates were similar from stove to stove. I suppose they used what worked and the patents must have run out on most of those designs by the 1890's or so. Usually though with Tomahawk, if I send them something on a Thursday, I'll have it all back the following Friday. They are very good about getting stuff done.

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