Base Burner Stoves

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nikonmom
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Post Tue. Feb. 05, 2013 3:02 pm

OK Mr. herrick, thanks!
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Post Tue. Feb. 05, 2013 3:10 pm

ok did they go thru? :o
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Post Tue. Feb. 05, 2013 3:11 pm

here is the inside
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Post Tue. Feb. 05, 2013 3:46 pm

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On this picture, can you see the square metal thing next to where the handle is? what is that?
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Post Tue. Feb. 05, 2013 5:20 pm

That ash door could be repaired by a !/8 thick piece of steel on the inside of the door and held in place by flat head screws recessed on the outside. If the inside of the door is flat it could be relatively easy to do. No worries about alignment and further cracking with welding.

Picture of the inside of that door would help. Repair would be invisible except for screw heads and if black with stove polish would not be seen.

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pma
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 116, Splendid Oak 81 (unfinished)
Stove/Furnace Make: glenwood

Post Tue. Feb. 05, 2013 6:58 pm

SteveZee wrote:Your S&A Oak Hub Heater is just what is says it is. An oak heater with a cast indirect back pipe and quite attractive one I might add. ;) It is the same as my Glenwood Modern Oak 116. Don't what size firepot it has or what size area you want to heat but they are a well made quality heater stove. I believe one of our new members (pma) has a hub heater in his collection.
Yes, have a Hub Heater in my growing assortment of addictive drugs...I mean...stoves. It's not an Oak though. May share features, not sure. It has similar 'dumper' in the center of the grate [instead of the fork you pull out]
It also has a somewhat freaky double walled ash pit. Not sure if your Oak has this... Here is the official description:
"Examine our double walled ashpit, which imparts a movement to the cold air at the bottom of the room, by drawing it through the stove to be heated..."
This stove has an ashpit within an ashpit. Also has a firepit within a jacket [space beteen firepit and jacket going down to outer ashpit] as far as I can tell, it sucked room air into gradualted opening in back of ashpit, up through space between firepit and jacket...and would then enter exhaust through circular grate that was on brim of firepit. [same place holed ring is on Glenwood baseheater]
Anyway: I don't get it. Convoluted effort to suck in room air to have it exit with exhaust. Unless, it works as a baseheater-because the backpipe does also connect to second ashpit. .....sucking exhaust down the grate ring just above firepit, down through second ashpit and up the backpipe? BUT, no switching mechanism on backpipe to redirect flow that I can see.
I'm sure this sounds like jibberish....but the stove does have an amazing oven: lift top dome and there is a stove plate ...but its at the bottom of a inverted dome going deep inside the stove jacket. Could fit a large pot of baked beans...

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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
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Post Tue. Feb. 05, 2013 7:22 pm

It is as I suspected, an Oak Stove with the double heating option. These are very high quality stoves. You should have this professionally restored.

Here is one of the best Oak Stoves made. It's an Andes Oak with the double heater option. These provide lots and lots of heat. You get radiant heat and hot air at the same time.
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Catalog Description of the Geneva Oak with double heating option.

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Post Wed. Feb. 06, 2013 9:14 am

Nikonmom, You stove is as I thought, and oak stove with back pipe. I can see this because there is no ring above the fire pot that a base burner would have. None the less, it's a fine stove and will be a great heater for you if restored and firepot lined with refractory.


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Post Wed. Feb. 06, 2013 9:20 am

pma wrote:
SteveZee wrote:Your S&A Oak Hub Heater is just what is says it is. An oak heater with a cast indirect back pipe and quite attractive one I might add. ;) It is the same as my Glenwood Modern Oak 116. Don't what size firepot it has or what size area you want to heat but they are a well made quality heater stove. I believe one of our new members (pma) has a hub heater in his collection.
Yes, have a Hub Heater in my growing assortment of addictive drugs...I mean...stoves. It's not an Oak though. May share features, not sure. It has similar 'dumper' in the center of the grate [instead of the fork you pull out]
It also has a somewhat freaky double walled ash pit. Not sure if your Oak has this... Here is the official description:
"Examine our double walled ashpit, which imparts a movement to the cold air at the bottom of the room, by drawing it through the stove to be heated..."
This stove has an ashpit within an ashpit. Also has a firepit within a jacket [space beteen firepit and jacket going down to outer ashpit] as far as I can tell, it sucked room air into gradualted opening in back of ashpit, up through space between firepit and jacket...and would then enter exhaust through circular grate that was on brim of firepit. [same place holed ring is on Glenwood baseheater]
Anyway: I don't get it. Convoluted effort to suck in room air to have it exit with exhaust. Unless, it works as a baseheater-because the backpipe does also connect to second ashpit. .....sucking exhaust down the grate ring just above firepit, down through second ashpit and up the backpipe? BUT, no switching mechanism on backpipe to redirect flow that I can see.
I'm sure this sounds like jibberish....but the stove does have an amazing oven: lift top dome and there is a stove plate ...but its at the bottom of a inverted dome going deep inside the stove jacket. Could fit a large pot of baked beans...
Sounds like a double heater Paul, as William suggested! Sometimes, there is a "check damper" vents in the back of the stove ashpit, that act like a baro damper in windy condtions by having air bypass the firepot and or lessen draft similar to opening the secondaries would do to a degree. In your hub heaters case with that double walled ashpit area, it is sounds like it is for secondary air heating although these usually had a top venting pipe (for the hot air) and a middle of the backpipe exhaust outlet. The top would go to a register in the floor above.

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Post Sun. Mar. 03, 2013 8:34 pm

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Post Sun. Mar. 03, 2013 9:17 pm

SteveZee wrote:Nikonmom, You stove is as I thought, and oak stove with back pipe. I can see this because there is no ring above the fire pot that a base burner would have. None the less, it's a fine stove and will be a great heater for you if restored and firepot lined with refractory.
Were the firepots lined when the stove was new and deteriorated now and gone or is the lining an update of sorts.

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Post Sun. Mar. 03, 2013 9:43 pm

this is my question also, as I am finding lots of pot belly stoves with no refractory....and no ash pans.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 116, Splendid Oak 81 (unfinished)
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Post Sun. Mar. 03, 2013 9:48 pm

in the old stove pamphlets, I've seen stoves offered unlined...or lined with brick. Buyers option.

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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
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Location: High In The Poconos

Post Sun. Mar. 03, 2013 9:51 pm

Most stoves could be ordered with or without a refractory liner. The ones that are still here with us today are the ones that probably had the liner when new.

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Post Sun. Mar. 03, 2013 9:52 pm

Nicoman, that 'metal thingie' to the left of the shaker handle is where a handle is inserted to rotate or 'shake' the outer round grate. the Crank-Handle moves the two 'clamshell' dump grates in the middle, but the outer grate ring can be rotated about 3-4". Your round grate appears to have a crack in it.. it might be jammed in the bottom of the firepot..

As for the refractory, I'm pretty sure most stoves were delivered with a refractory lining. Some high end stoves had rounded firebrick that fit all around the firepot like slices of pie..
I suppose a refractory lining was an extra cost item on some stoves.. but I don't remember reading that in any of the stove brochures I've read..

William will know about the refractory I'm sure..

Greg L

William, PMA, you guys are quick tonight ! :D
Burning Pea/Buckwheat through an antique stoker [semi retired SSboiler],
Running an Axeman-Anderson 260M boiler burning Pea, About 150-250#per day
Farming, Fixing, Fabricating and Flying: 'spare time' what's that?


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