Glenwood master catalog

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sun. Feb. 11, 2024 9:29 am

Thank you , Dana.

Did the early stoves and ranges even come with a "manual" like modern stoves ?

All I've ever seen were sheets or books that list/advertise the features and others that list replacement parts such as grates and firebox lining.

The closest I've seen to a range operating manual is in some old cookbooks - and they were rather limited on that type of info.

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Post by D.lapan » Sun. Feb. 11, 2024 1:12 pm

Best I can tell is no, I believe the operation of these old stoves were considered common knowledge amongst women handed down from mothers and grandmothers. I have a wooden salesmans pamphlet box and full of sales pamphlets and I believe those were the only model specific literature offered from glenwood or any other manufacturer

 
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Post by Hoytman » Tue. Feb. 13, 2024 2:58 am

I’d gladly pay for a copy of that book. Just tell me where to send payment to and I can send a postal money order. I think this would help me determine which range and if a range would work in my situation. A pdf downloadable file to my phone would work as well. Then I can look at it whenever I want and/or print it for my own use.

This was something I was hoping to discuss with KingCoal while he was here but his stay at my home was cut short by fading daylight. I wanted to pick his brain about a cook range and the space on my hearth, least the lack of depth…40”. I know he agreed that a Glenwood #6 would need to sit sideways on my hearth which wouldn’t look all that great. We determined a #6 likely would not fit without turning it sideways.
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Post by D.lapan » Tue. Feb. 13, 2024 7:11 am

The book gives measurements on ranges the old fashioned way, front and back to them would be left and right to us
Ill look around and see if I can find a place to either scan it or copy it, the book is pretty big and being there's only 3 of them, I don't feel comfortable leaving it somewhere for say a re print, but maybe someone or some place can scan it and as you said make a pdf or even a cd of it.

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Post by Hoytman » Tue. Feb. 13, 2024 2:03 pm

Pretty sure my hearth is 7Ft wide and 40" deep from front edge to the hearth wall.

Sort of hard to read that page on its side right now. 1350 sq ft of one floor home built in 1954. Hearth is in the middle of 13ftx32ft room attached to a kitchen to form an "L" shaped room.

I believe SunnyBoy and I determined a Sunny may fit...maybe even one bigger, but I've talked about it so many times I can't recall which.

My concerns are the usual;

1. Not have big enough fire box to heat the house on a 12 hr schedule, which likely won't be an issue.
2. Stove being too big that I have to burn it low and slow all the time which would be bad for trying to cook.
3. Controlling the heat without wasting it all up the chimney and not blaring so much heat into the home we can't stand it. This shouldn't be an issue either as I understand these to be like base heaters, so should be able to burn low while extracting lots of heat but without over heating the place at the same time.
4. Would love to be able to use in late spring/summer/early fall just for cooking if I wanted to.
5. Would also like to be able to use wood for quick start-up and quick use/extinguish.

 
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Post by D.lapan » Tue. Feb. 13, 2024 2:16 pm

The deepest glenwood range I have delt with Is a home grand and that is 34" front to back, the rest average 28-30"

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Feb. 13, 2024 4:26 pm

In the Cookin' With Coal thread, I covered the National Fire Code for ranges and how a simple sheet metal heat shield with two 1 inch thick layers of rock wool inside added to the back of the oven and firebox, I can set it within 9 inches of the wall. For a 30-inch-deep range that makes it fit your 40-inch hearth.

11 to 12 hours on nut coal is doable with the small firebox of my small Sunny Glenwood. A model like the much common mid-sized Model C has a bigger firebox and should go 12 hours.

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Post by Hoytman » Tue. Feb. 13, 2024 5:59 pm

Yeah…I’m aware of the shielding code, just not so familiar as you two guys with the sizing of these older stoves.

Was looking at the modern HECO made by DS and none of their 3 models will fit on my 40” hearth. I like the fact that someone is trying to replicate the functionality of the older stoves. I even like their grates although they’re not the best for breaking up clinkers, they’re still robust and identical to DS stove grates. Even the summer grate function is nice as is their reburn feature, although the reburn has a down side as well. It blocks direct heat above them and as such any chance of feeding the fire from above as well. Also, the firebox is too big for my use, although I could easily shrink it.

I also prefer the much older tried and true stove top designs with removable plates/rings…whatever the correct term is. They just seem more practical.

I am certain that with the size of the firebox being so big in the Heco that I’d be in the same boat I am with my 354…so big that the stove has to be burned low to keep from heating us out of the house yet low enough I still can’t boil water with it even it heart of winters grip. That makes my 354 useless for anything but heating the home. A smaller wood stove would be more practical than that. At least I could put some water vapor into the house with it.

In fact, even the Heco 420 would likely be worse than my 354 compounding my current problems.

With an older stove with smaller “Sunny” to “C” sized firebox I could slow it down and rev it up faster with coal…use wood as much as I want or need, and use coal as often and as much as I need as well. I may even find wood best for cooking and at night load up some coal. Who knows what the potential options are until I get one in this house.

I don’t need a lot of fancy (perhaps I should ask the wife first ;) ), but functionality, durability, proven rugged design and practical features would be nice. I’d like to restore it myself if at all possible. That’s a financial decision for me that is nearly a must to make this doable. Of course, I’m willing to discuss what is practical and what isn’t for such a restoration for me and my son.

 
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Post by mntbugy » Wed. Feb. 14, 2024 12:11 pm

Some ranges out there that hold as much or more coal than a little #6.

 
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Post by Hoytman » Wed. Feb. 14, 2024 2:30 pm

mntbugy wrote:
Wed. Feb. 14, 2024 12:11 pm
Some ranges out there that hold as much or more coal than a little #6.
So are you thinking that would be a positive for me or a detriment?

 
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Post by mntbugy » Wed. Feb. 14, 2024 3:06 pm

Hoytman wrote:
Wed. Feb. 14, 2024 2:30 pm
So are you thinking that would be a positive for me or a detriment?
You need to find out what the LxWxH of firebox is in different ranges are to determine rough btu's. Needed for your space.

Stoves are like tallywhackers, not as big as they say it is.

 
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Post by Hoytman » Wed. Feb. 14, 2024 7:40 pm

mntbugy wrote:
Wed. Feb. 14, 2024 3:06 pm
You need to find out what the LxWxH of firebox is in different ranges are to determine rough btu's. Needed for your space.

Stoves are like tallywhackers, not as big as they say it is.
:clap: :lol: Ok.
Not sure why I hadn’t thought and considered the calculations before, but that does make sense.

I’ll post this for the guys that have access to these cook ranges and their fireboxes. Maybe they can help me out.

Hitzer models:

354 = 25”Lx13”Wx17”H = 325 sq. in. = 5,525 cu. in.
254 = 20”Lx13”Wx16”H = 260 sq. in. = 4,160 cu. in.

50-93 = 24.5”Lx13”WxH” N/A = 318.5 sq. in.
30-95 = 20”Lx12”WxH” N/A = 240 sq. in.

55UL = 20”Lx15”Wx17”H = 300 sq. in. = 5,100 cu. in.

(Measurements taken straight from Hitzer website. Calculations are mine, so check my math please.)

 
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Post by Vigil1982 » Wed. Feb. 21, 2024 5:27 am

Thanks again for posting. I enjoyed your website too. I plan be in touch with you shortly on a couple of items.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Wed. Feb. 21, 2024 11:28 am

Hoytman wrote:
Wed. Feb. 14, 2024 7:40 pm
:clap: :lol: Ok.
Not sure why I hadn’t thought and considered the calculations before, but that does make sense.

I’ll post this for the guys that have access to these cook ranges and their fireboxes. Maybe they can help me out.

Hitzer models:

354 = 25”Lx13”Wx17”H = 325 sq. in. = 5,525 cu. in.
254 = 20”Lx13”Wx16”H = 260 sq. in. = 4,160 cu. in.

50-93 = 24.5”Lx13”WxH” N/A = 318.5 sq. in.
30-95 = 20”Lx12”WxH” N/A = 240 sq. in.

55UL = 20”Lx15”Wx17”H = 300 sq. in. = 5,100 cu. in.

(Measurements taken straight from Hitzer website. Calculations are mine, so check my math please.)
To add to your data base.

My Sunny Glenwood (along with the Model F) is the smallest of the Glenwood ranges (18 inch wide oven). With the new cast firebricks in place, measuring by weight, holds an actual 25 pounds of nut coal.

By comparison, my GW #6 base heater, with new cast firebricks holds a measured 50 pounds of nut. The recast magazine adds another measured 20 pounds on top of that.

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Post by Hoytman » Wed. Feb. 21, 2024 12:39 pm

So your Sunny Glenwood holds basically a hod (like mine) level full, heaping is 29-30lbs.

Temps in these 50-60 degree days I add maybe 10-15lbs/day and in coldest of winter no more than 30lbs/day.

That’s all well and good, but it’s hard to determine how much heat a range will extract. The only way I know to make a fair comparison would be to calculate and compare firebox sizes/btus as well as determine as close as possible the square inches of steel versus my 354.

The range will need to as big my home will allow without over heating the house while in low burn during shoulder seasons. Of course I understand I can waste heat up the chimney. Wasting some isn’t the issue, overheating the house on a day like today would be an issue. Forecast of 60F today. I assume if I operated the range correctly the oven and surrounding steel as well as the top of the range away from the fire will be much, much cooler to luke warm.

Then there’s getting the plates above the fire hot enough to fry foods without having to wait forever.

It’s hard to envision how much heat even a small range will throw compared to this huge 354. Only during -31F temps outside last year did my stove top ever hit 195ish…that still won’t boil water. Most the time the top is 165F…not even enough to make a can of soup hot. A smaller stove would be hotter…even a blower model with heat exchanger in the top…which Hitzer has that design down pat remarkably well. They will extract heat to keep the top cool…and I don’t even use the blower.

I can’t recall (it’s posted here somewhere) what my calculated lowest burn rate was. I don’t think it was .5lbs/hr, but seems I do recall .88lbs/hr. I need to do the calculations yet. Haven’t taken the time to do it. Was hoping someone with access to the stoves could give me measurements. I think Dana may have posted a picture with some measurements but it was sideways and I couldn’t read it. I’ll see what I can do about going back a page or so to locate and see if I can rotate and then read any measurements contained in that photo.


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