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Post by larryfoster » Fri. Jan. 26, 2018 10:42 am

I thought I lived in Pa. but now know it's the State of Confusion.

As noted above, I cleaned my chimney and flue 4 days ago and got lots of crap.

Cleaned the manometer, as well, and checked the zero setting.

In that short time, I can't load the stove without smoke billowing out the load door.
That's with the ash door open and the MPD wide open.
My mano won't get past .05

My mano readings were slightly higher before the cleaning.

This has been going on almost since I relit after cleaning.
The smoke coming out the load door was the reason I decided to clean.

I added coal about one hour ago and left the ash door open for 20 minutes to get some nice fire.
When I closed the door I opened the primary the whole way and left the secondary and MPD wide open to burn the volatiles off.

Was just outside and see (what appears to be) lots of white smoke from the chimney.
I'm thinking that indicates, at least, some draft.


 
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Post by Lightning » Fri. Jan. 26, 2018 8:32 pm

The only thing I can think of to suggest is opening a window in the stove room while you have the load door open on the stove. Other than that, maybe the warmer temperatures outside curbed your draft some.

 
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Post by Lightning » Fri. Jan. 26, 2018 8:35 pm

Do you have the smoke curtain on your load door opening? Do you prop it open while tending?

 
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Post by larryfoster » Fri. Jan. 26, 2018 9:25 pm

The only thing I can think of to suggest is opening a window in the stove room while you have the load door open on the stove. Other than that, maybe the warmer temperatures outside curbed your draft some.
I'd thought about the temps but it was cool for a couple days after I relit.
I can open the coal bin door which has access to the outside to get rid of the smoke.
Do you have the smoke curtain on your load door opening? Do you prop it open while tending?
If you mean that flat piece of metal that hangs down, yes, it's on there.

In the past, I'd open the load door and ash door and that would create enough draw.
Now, I have to close the load door between shovelsful.
It's a little clumsy but not terrible.

Just puzzled what could be causing it so soon after cleaning

 
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Post by Lightning » Fri. Jan. 26, 2018 10:14 pm

larryfoster wrote:
Fri. Jan. 26, 2018 9:25 pm
I can open the coal bin door which has access to the outside to get rid of the smoke.
I meant to open a window (or coal bin door) to eliminate any pressure differences that might be inhibiting your draft. An opening of something near the stove can help your draft and might even be enough to help prevent smoke from pouring out of the stove, sometimes lol.

 
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Post by larryfoster » Fri. Jan. 26, 2018 11:24 pm

Thanks for the clarification.

The coal bin door is about the only option.
I don't have any windows that open (easily)

The coal bin door is open when I load.

Just had a thought.
I didn't clean the top shelf inside the furnace or the thimble coming out of the furnace.
Didn't even think to look at it

Could that be a problem?

 
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Post by Lightning » Sat. Jan. 27, 2018 5:42 am

Maybe, pull out those baffle plates and take a look. You can safely take them out while the fire is idling down low as long as you have some good heavy gloves.


 
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Post by larryfoster » Sat. Jan. 27, 2018 6:47 am

I didn't know that.
I've just looked or reached in through the thimble.

Do they just lift or slide out?
Guessing I should remove the smoke curtain to do this?

 
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Post by Lightning » Sat. Jan. 27, 2018 7:28 am

Lift and pull forward. As you pull forward, rotate them upside down and just set them on top of the fire bricks. You don't have to take them all the way out, you can if you want to. Just remember that they have to go back in the same way or they won't sit right.

You can prop up the smoke curtain with something roughly 16 inches long against the fire brick or something shorter against the ledge that the baffle plates sit on.

It's a little clumsy and awkward but the baffle plates do come out relatively easy.

 
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Post by larryfoster » Sun. Jan. 28, 2018 11:54 am

Thanks for that info.

I burned out last night and took the stack off to see if I had build up in the short time since cleaning.
Just a tiny bit.
Reached into the chimney and there was some minor soot but not enough to bother anything.

Didn't take the baffles out but inspected through the thimble.
There was some stuff laying on them but nothing that looked like it was blocking the opening.
That is if they're just flat plates.

Mano is zero set again (still) and I'll light back up a little later

 
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Post by Lightning » Sun. Jan. 28, 2018 11:58 am

To help with the smoke coming out the load door - you could try just removing the front baffle plate. It might have a small effect on efficiency but I wouldn't expect very much.

 
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Post by larryfoster » Sun. Jan. 28, 2018 12:28 pm

Let me see what happens when I light up.
My son thought one on the pipes was loose on the pipe from the furnace to chimney thimble.
Maybe that affected the draft?

 
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Post by Lightning » Sun. Jan. 28, 2018 12:35 pm

larryfoster wrote:
Sun. Jan. 28, 2018 12:28 pm
Let me see what happens when I light up.
My son thought one on the pipes was loose on the pipe from the furnace to chimney thimble.
Maybe that affected the draft?
Just loose, I would say possibly but probably not much, if there was a big gap for room air to get in, then yes.

 
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Post by larryfoster » Sun. Jan. 28, 2018 1:23 pm

I don't think there was a big gap.
They're all screwed together with (at least) 1 screw/joint.

He's 26 and knows everything but knows nothing

 
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Post by larryfoster » Mon. Jan. 29, 2018 10:32 am

Great!

I mean grates.
:evil:

I was cleaning out getting ready to re-light and saw that the stub from the back grate was broken.

My local Tractor Supply says they have them.
Should I get one or both?
I'm thinking both because there may be slop from wear.
Lightning, I know there's always slop.
:roll:
I won't be able to do a mod today.

If there is any good to this, I get to inspect my liners, too.
Found some cracked bricks, too


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